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zezhyrule

lz20XX wrote:

zezhyrule wrote:

@lz: What all has happened to your PS3?

Nothing too serious just the occasional "I don't like your TV today" or it freezes quite often

So the whole

lz20XX wrote:

All of my Sony platforms experienced several problems

was over exaggeration? :/

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zezhyrule wrote:

lz20XX wrote:

zezhyrule wrote:

@lz: What all has happened to your PS3?

Nothing too serious just the occasional "I don't like your TV today" or it freezes quite often

So the whole

lz20XX wrote:

All of my Sony platforms experienced several problems

was over exaggeration? :/

Nope, both of my Sony platforms experienced problems. Same for my PS2, but again nothing really serious. Overall it's just problems that are frustrating in general

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I've seen many problems with all the companies consoles. My brother is actually on his third Wii at the moment, and all from manufacturer defects. I've experienced issues with Sony and Microsoft consoles myself as well. It happens, you play the console to death and eventually it will die.

Back to the original post. NGP is a big hit on 3DS among older gamers. I know multiple guys in there mid to late 20s who had preorders on 3DS and have since cancelled them to preorder the NGP. I'm not saying that it will hurt 3DS and the system will fail or any of that nonsense, but I do think that 3DS was a draw back to Nintendo for many older gamers who in all the Wii casual nonsense that went on, moved on to other platforms, but the NGP announcement has once again turned them back to the other system once again.

For me, I'm buying both, but I'm much more excited about the 3DS than the NGP at the moment. I absolutely adore my DS(s), and Atlus is already fully on board the 3DS train, so bring it on!

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The NGP looks simply awesome and will definitely offer a first-rate handheld gaming experience. My biggest problem is that I don't really care for most of Sony's games, which is a personal taste issue. As a piece of hardware, it is absolutely gorgeous and designed perfectly for playing games.

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It seems that Sony/Nintendo systems have about the same amount of issues. Basically it seems if you buy any game system within a year after launch or so, you're playing Russian roulette with hardware failure. After that most of the kinks get worked out. Most of the Wii/PS3 complaints were with launch models. The DS Lite shoulder buttons seem perennially finicky though. Hopefully that issue is fixed with the 3DS. I'm sure both systems will generally be reliable (insert predictable, overworn stab at Microsoft here).

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They'll probably be reliable unless they go down the same road as Microsoft with their huge 360 failure rate! LOL!! ( predictable, overworn stab at Microsoft inserted! )

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Btw some info about the NGP:

OP add it to your title if you want.

CPU: quad cored a9 vortex processor ( 4x cores ) each cloaked at 800mhz which equals 1,6ghz atom processors ( each core is 2x as fast as the iphone 4 )
GPU: 128vram ( dedicated )
GPU : Quad cored PowerVR SGX543MP4+ GPU ( means 4 cored overclocked from the standard 200mhz )
GPU : cloaked from 200-400mhz. ( 200mhz throughput 133million polygons, 4gb fillrate | 400mhz ~270million polygons, 8gb fillrate )
GPU: each gpu core has 4 pipelines = alot faster then the older 2x pipelined version used in the samsung "fastest mobile atm". which result in 16 pipelines in total.
GPU: supports 32 bit and 16 bit color paterns + filtering
GPU: has 4x FSAA filtering
Memory: 512MB fast DDR2 atleast ( Dev kits got 1GB ) so its between 512-1024mb
Battery: 4-7 hours confirmed. ( which probably equals 3DS battery time ) rumor atm, 2x 2700mah batteries combined.
Weight: Lesser then PSP Go.

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bboy2970

All those specs sound great and all, but that is EXACTLY why this thing is gonna be priced sky high! It simply packs too much not to be. The ONLY way the NGP isn't gonna be priced beyond success is if Sony takes a big loss on every unit sold. However, I did read somewhere that Sony specifically said they wouldn't be losing money on each NGP sold so...I really don't see how this device is gonna be anything below 400 bucks.

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gatygun

bboy2970 wrote:

All those specs sound great and all, but that is EXACTLY why this thing is gonna be priced sky high! It simply packs too much not to be. The ONLY way the NGP isn't gonna be priced beyond success is if Sony takes a big loss on every unit sold. However, I did read somewhere that Sony specifically said they wouldn't be losing money on each NGP sold so...I really don't see how this device is gonna be anything below 400 bucks.

Didn't know that you worked at the R&D department of sony.
I wouldn't be suprised if this thing is costing exactly teh same if not 50 euro higher "only" then the 3DS.
From latest reports the iphone 4 only costs about 170 dollar to create for example. Which has more hardware going on then the 3DS already. Besides that, last reports noted that the 3DS got sold to shops for 171 dollar. this means that the 3DS probably costing on hardware level around the 100 euro ( i wouldn't be suprised if that actually is lower then that. Nintendo needs to make a huge profit it on it.

Even 3x more costing 3DS hardware could still be sold without a loss for under the 300 dollar/euro.

Sony can even throw in a loss, because handhelds isn't there main business. Therefor 300 dollar or even 250 dollar would make a hell lot sense to me?

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I'm pretty sure the iphone costs more than that to make, because not even Apple employees can get a discount on an iphone. If they were selling them at double the cost of making them, I think they'd allow their own members to get at least a little off the top. Besides, according to what you say the NGP has about 8x the processors of the iphone. Such technology would cost ALOT more than what the iphone has. I'm not saying 8x more, but maybe 4x or 5x. Add to that the fact that the NGP also has possibly up to a GB of memory, and 3G, and a MUCH larger screen, and all of the stuff that makes it a PSP. Even starting at $170, it would almost definitely be over $300, and I'm still pretty sure it's starting at closer to $300...Also, how can you be sure that the 3DS is so cheap to make? It does actually have new technology in it after all.

BTW, didn't know that you worked at the R&D department of Sony. I mean, how else would you know anything about their costs and pricing plans? It wouldn't be the first time Sony put out an outrageously expensive system after all.

I'm still expecting 2 models, 1 under $400 and 1 over. But, then again, I DON'T work at the R&D department at Sony.

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I'm beginning to think this thread is a lost cause. It looks like it has been derailed to a point where it would be very unlikely to get on topic where people say things like "It looks good but I will still go for the 3DS" or "I think I like this better".

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1) Guessing how much a console will cost before its announced is a bad idea. I personally think it'll be priced around $350 US, but that's a guess based more on market factors, than how much it costs Sony to make each console.

2) Even if it is expensive, that kind of fits in with Sony's strategy anyway. The NGP is a premium product, not a kids toy. Nothing about it suggests to me they're gunning for the same audience as Nintendogs + cats.

Which goes back to my earlier point - the NGP will probably not sell as well as the 3DS. But then again a) It's not a competitive device to the 3DS and b) Sony probably doesn't care.

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bboy2970

gatygun wrote:

bboy2970 wrote:

All those specs sound great and all, but that is EXACTLY why this thing is gonna be priced sky high! It simply packs too much not to be. The ONLY way the NGP isn't gonna be priced beyond success is if Sony takes a big loss on every unit sold. However, I did read somewhere that Sony specifically said they wouldn't be losing money on each NGP sold so...I really don't see how this device is gonna be anything below 400 bucks.

Didn't know that you worked at the R&D department of sony.
I wouldn't be suprised if this thing is costing exactly teh same if not 50 euro higher "only" then the 3DS.
From latest reports the iphone 4 only costs about 170 dollar to create for example. Which has more hardware going on then the 3DS already. Besides that, last reports noted that the 3DS got sold to shops for 171 dollar. this means that the 3DS probably costing on hardware level around the 100 euro ( i wouldn't be suprised if that actually is lower then that. Nintendo needs to make a huge profit it on it.

Even 3x more costing 3DS hardware could still be sold without a loss for under the 300 dollar/euro.

Sony can even throw in a loss, because handhelds isn't there main business. Therefor 300 dollar or even 250 dollar would make a hell lot sense to me?

Quite wrong sir, I do not work in Sony's R&D department. I am only 18 so that would be kind of surprising if I did. My guess of 400 dollars is just that, a GUESS! I'm sure your statement would have slightly more validity if I had said, "STOP THE PRESSES!! the Sony NGP will absolutely, indisputably, no doubt, cost 400 dollars!! You heard it here first folks!" Unfortunately for your comment, I did not say that so I would appreciate you keeping sarcastic comments to yourself if you please. Thanks bud!

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bboy2970 wrote:

gatygun wrote:

bboy2970 wrote:

All those specs sound great and all, but that is EXACTLY why this thing is gonna be priced sky high! It simply packs too much not to be. The ONLY way the NGP isn't gonna be priced beyond success is if Sony takes a big loss on every unit sold. However, I did read somewhere that Sony specifically said they wouldn't be losing money on each NGP sold so...I really don't see how this device is gonna be anything below 400 bucks.

Didn't know that you worked at the R&D department of sony.
I wouldn't be suprised if this thing is costing exactly teh same if not 50 euro higher "only" then the 3DS.
From latest reports the iphone 4 only costs about 170 dollar to create for example. Which has more hardware going on then the 3DS already. Besides that, last reports noted that the 3DS got sold to shops for 171 dollar. this means that the 3DS probably costing on hardware level around the 100 euro ( i wouldn't be suprised if that actually is lower then that. Nintendo needs to make a huge profit it on it.

Even 3x more costing 3DS hardware could still be sold without a loss for under the 300 dollar/euro.

Sony can even throw in a loss, because handhelds isn't there main business. Therefor 300 dollar or even 250 dollar would make a hell lot sense to me?

Quite wrong sir, I do not work in Sony's R&D department. I am only 18 so that would be kind of surprising if I did. My guess of 400 dollars is just that, a GUESS! I'm sure your statement would have slightly more validity if I had said, "STOP THE PRESSES!! the Sony NGP will absolutely, indisputably, no doubt, cost 400 dollars!! You heard it here first folks!" Unfortunately for your comment, I did not say that so I would appreciate you keeping sarcastic comments to yourself if you please. Thanks bud!

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Out of curiosity. What do you define 'premium' as in terms of games and hardware because that's a real defining term in gaming along with hardcore @Waltzelf

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gatygun

TrueWiiMaster wrote:

@gatygun-
I'm pretty sure the iphone costs more than that to make, because not even Apple employees can get a discount on an iphone. If they were selling them at double the cost of making them, I think they'd allow their own members to get at least a little off the top. Besides, according to what you say the NGP has about 8x the processors of the iphone. Such technology would cost ALOT more than what the iphone has. I'm not saying 8x more, but maybe 4x or 5x. Add to that the fact that the NGP also has possibly up to a GB of memory, and 3G, and a MUCH larger screen, and all of the stuff that makes it a PSP. Even starting at $170, it would almost definitely be over $300, and I'm still pretty sure it's starting at closer to $300...Also, how can you be sure that the 3DS is so cheap to make? It does actually have new technology in it after all.

BTW, didn't know that you worked at the R&D department of Sony. I mean, how else would you know anything about their costs and pricing plans? It wouldn't be the first time Sony put out an outrageously expensive system after all.

I'm still expecting 2 models, 1 under $400 and 1 over. But, then again, I DON'T work at the R&D department at Sony.

Do you read at all on what i said? try to read it again, all your questions are basically already answered.
the speeds from the cpu's are just massive faster each core then the iphone version, it doesn't got 8 those cores.
Have you got any idea who those ipods and iphones make?, poor people that live in complete iphone flats. They are almost slaves. Even if they wanted to get 1 for 100 dollar, they couldn't even pay it. And there is no reason why, those things get sold to your own personal for a cheaper price to start with.

about the 300 dollar/euro. didn't i stated that in my reaction?

besides that, there are enough shops that know the raw price of the product ( big telephone company's for example ).

3DS isn't state of the art tech, thats the whole point. If they would have gone with the tegra 2 it would be state of the art. but the pica is just a weak GPU solution compared to what company's already offer at this date. hell the tegra 2 is already 2x faster, while next month the tegra 3 is probably getting announced.

Pica200 version listed at the dmp site ( highest one ) pushes 15,3 million polygons. ( http://www.dmprof.com/english/e_products/e_pica_200/ )
(There is even a lite version that contains a even lesser amount of polygons 12million.
I really hope for nintendo that they get a 35million version one, that isn't listed on that site.)

which is there top version. Now nintendo could have some special made version of it, but from all the latest reports it would make perfectly sense for them to jump on a model that is already from the year 2006, which basically is fased out in the mobile industrial for years. therefor the contract with pica can be really profittable. The 2x arm chips are even older then the a8 cortex core. which means 2 generation behind. The memory, well i really am suprised that company's actually still make such low versions of it. Nobody is buying those chips anymore for anything, therefor probably a budget mem.

Battery packed with the 3DS = only 1300mah, which means dam cheap battery.

The big bucks probably are payed for the 3D screen, but that isn't going to cost them more then 50 dollars each for sure, because through latest reports, a oled screen ( which is far more expensive then a 3d screen ) cost around the 50-100 dollar to implant.

So in other words. its a perfect example of how nintendo delivered for 325-350 dollar ( europe ), a basic budget device.

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bboy2970 wrote:

gatygun wrote:

bboy2970 wrote:

All those specs sound great and all, but that is EXACTLY why this thing is gonna be priced sky high! It simply packs too much not to be. The ONLY way the NGP isn't gonna be priced beyond success is if Sony takes a big loss on every unit sold. However, I did read somewhere that Sony specifically said they wouldn't be losing money on each NGP sold so...I really don't see how this device is gonna be anything below 400 bucks.

Didn't know that you worked at the R&D department of sony.
I wouldn't be suprised if this thing is costing exactly teh same if not 50 euro higher "only" then the 3DS.
From latest reports the iphone 4 only costs about 170 dollar to create for example. Which has more hardware going on then the 3DS already. Besides that, last reports noted that the 3DS got sold to shops for 171 dollar. this means that the 3DS probably costing on hardware level around the 100 euro ( i wouldn't be suprised if that actually is lower then that. Nintendo needs to make a huge profit it on it.

Even 3x more costing 3DS hardware could still be sold without a loss for under the 300 dollar/euro.

Sony can even throw in a loss, because handhelds isn't there main business. Therefor 300 dollar or even 250 dollar would make a hell lot sense to me?

Quite wrong sir, I do not work in Sony's R&D department. I am only 18 so that would be kind of surprising if I did. My guess of 400 dollars is just that, a GUESS! I'm sure your statement would have slightly more validity if I had said, "STOP THE PRESSES!! the Sony NGP will absolutely, indisputably, no doubt, cost 400 dollars!! You heard it here first folks!" Unfortunately for your comment, I did not say that so I would appreciate you keeping sarcastic comments to yourself if you please. Thanks bud!

read your own post, you actually did say it. therefor my sarcastic comment was totally vailid. Bad attempt to recover yourself tho.

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