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241. Posted:

I hate the console wars but I have to admit that as a Nintendo fan it's a bit disturbing, shocking even to see a Sony NGP thread afloat in a section of a Nintendo Forum that is dedicated to the discussion of the Nintendo 3DS.

Some people like talking about what else is out there.

But I agree this would be better in the Gen Gaming forum, given the way it's developed from the first posts. Hardly disgusting or disturbing, though.

Furtthermore it's annoying and offensive to the otaku heart of a Nintendo fanboy to see Sony actually trying to skew and murder the thunder of the incredible Nintendo 3DS with their suped up PSP but that's Sony for ya.

Sony is as "otaku" as Nintendo (though that is not something to be proud of). Furthermore, Sony is a company wth as much right to release a product as Ninte

One could also argue it was offensive for Nintendo to try and "win" E3 and steal the thunder from the other two by launching the 3DS. But that would be childish.

I think there is way too much emotion running through this thread. The NGP is just a console, guys. It's not like Sony's grabbed some guns and invaded Nintendo HQ.

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242. Posted:

WaltzElf wrote:

But I agree this would be better in the Gen Gaming forum, given the way it's developed from the first posts.

believe me, if i could move this thread, i would've done so long before now since it's been reported/complained about to me in chat a few times already. if people aren't paying attention to the original post and answering the OP's question, though, that's not my problem, and i'm not about to kill this conversation and force it to start anew just because of where it is.

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243. Posted:

theblackdragon wrote:

WaltzElf wrote:

But I agree this would be better in the Gen Gaming forum, given the way it's developed from the first posts.

believe me, if i could move this thread, i would've done so long before now since it's been reported/complained about to me in chat a few times already. if people aren't paying attention to the original post and answering the OP's question, though, that's not my problem, and i'm not about to kill this conversation and force it to start anew just because of where it is.

No worries - I wasn't complaining anyways :-)

Side note though - it's not possible to move threads on this forum? I thought it was :O I've learned my new thing for the day.

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244. Posted:

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@TokyoRed: the initial question is asking your opinion of the PSP2/NGP in relation to your plans regarding an eventual 3DS purchase. as such, this thread remains appropriate for the 3DS section of the forums.

Which reminds me, need tp get in the habit of reading the first post more.:/ Luckily I answered the OP's question without realizing it. I figured this was a general discussion topic. Oh well, next time.

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245. Posted:

@theblackdragon, no, I'm trying to suggest that you should close this thread. It's just like WaltzElf has pointed out though, this thread has gone through some bumps and lumps since the opening page. I also have no hard feelings against Sony PlayStation as a company. I enjoy both Nintendo and PlayStation, most especially the latter's LittleBigPlanet and Ratchet and Clank. Yet, I'm more of a Nintendo fanboy as I came in contact with Nintendo at a very early age and I've always had a very special fan connection with Nintendo.

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246. Posted:

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Hey hey hey, a true otaku should have pride. Relatively few achieve such a ranking (particularly outside of Japan), and the Nintendo otaku stands proud atop a company that has existed for over a century. That said, I don't consider myself such an otaku. Alas, I don't have the time or will to study Nintendo 24/7...I haven't even beaten all of the Zeldas yet.

Huh. I actually didn't even know this thread was in the 3DS section. I just saw "Opinions of NGP" from the homepage as a recently updated thread and came to give as many cents as I could spare...huh.

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Hey hey hey, a true otaku should have pride. Relatively few achieve such a ranking (particularly outside of Japan), and the Nintendo otaku stands proud atop a company that has existed for over a century.

The vast majority of Japan feels pity, at best, for otaku. It's a derogitory word - like "loser" (more accurately "nerd," but unlike in the west, being a "nerd" isn't quite as fashionable in Japan, so "loser" carries the more accurate connotations). So really, if you are a fan of Japan, the last thing you'd want to be proud of is being otaku.

It's not a stand-in for "Nintendo fan," either. There are otaku who love Sony, or Sega, or Anime, or Manga. There are otaku that play Dungeons and Dragons, or Magic the Gathering. There are cat Otaku, or Disney Otaku. Otaku really just stands for the kind of sweaty, Coke-and-Doritos, socially-ackward nerd that exists within his/ her bedroom and is utterly obsessed with something, to the point where it's embarrasing for most other people.

In other words, it would be like a Japanese person coming to America and going around saying "Hi, I am a loser!"

I just hope those self proclaimed "otaku" realise that.

Edit - Just to clarify, I don't mean to offend anyone in here. I just worry that some people that like to go around calling themselves "Otaku", don't quite realise what they are, in effect, saying about themselves.

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248. Posted:

WaltzElf wrote:

The NGP is just a console, guys. It's not like Sony's grabbed some guns and invaded Nintendo HQ.

Thats what everyone is making it seem like. :D :P

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249. Posted:

@waltzelf
I know the connotations of otaku in Japan, thank you very much, and though they may be looked down upon by the common public, they still champion their hobbies. I don't think you are entirely correct about otaku being synonymous with loser. It's a little more specific than that because it refers to basically to Japanese nerds. You, in Japan, wouldn't go up to the losers of a baseball game and call them otaku. But I don't live in Japan anyway, and so don't need to follow their social views. That, however, doesn't mean that I cannot use their words or meanings. In America an otaku is generally someone pretty much obsessed with something Japanese, usually the media. They should have as much pride as anyone heralding classic literature or cinematic culture. The people formerly known as nerds in America became some of the most successful people on earth.

P.S.- I never said otaku were exclusive to Nintendo. I just said Nintendo otaku should be proud of such a great and historic company.

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250. Posted:

can we get back to discussion of whether or not the appearance of the NGP will have you reconsidering your purchase of a 3DS and/or how you feel about the NGP in particular? thank you :/

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251. Posted:

TrueWiiMaster wrote:

@waltzelf
I know the connotations of otaku in Japan, thank you very much, and though they may be looked down upon by the common public, they still champion their hobbies. I don't think you are entirely correct about otaku being synonymous with loser. It's a little more specific than that because it refers to basically to Japanese nerds. You, in Japan, wouldn't go up to the losers of a baseball game and call them otaku. But I don't live in Japan anyway, and so don't need to follow their social views. That, however, doesn't mean that I cannot use their words or meanings. In America an otaku is generally someone pretty much obsessed with something Japanese, usually the media. They should have as much pride as anyone heralding classic literature or cinematic culture.

... Let's just not get in this debate, it's wayyyy off topic and would get heated pretty quickly.

lol. TBD beat me to it.

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252. Posted:

@theblackdragon
Sorry about that. Tangents come far too natural to me.

The appearance of the NGP will not, even slightly, alter my choice to buy a 3DS as soon as it becomes available to me. This is based on 1. the history of Sony portables lacking titles that appeal to me, 2. Nintendo's history of games that do appeal to me, 3. the inevitable price tag that comes with the technology used in the NGP, 4. the generally lower quality Sony's portable hardware has been in comparison to Nintendo's, and 5. 3D sounds far more interesting to me than portable PS3 graphics.

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253. Posted:

4. the generally lower quality Sony's portable hardware has been in comparison to Nintendo's,

Nintendo's DSi 'L' button broke for me.

My PSPGo has yet to have a fault.

To go back right to the original question - nah, I'll be getting both. Completely different consoles for completely different gaming experiences.

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254. Posted:

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4. the generally lower quality Sony's portable hardware has been in comparison to Nintendo's

Say what? I've only known one PSP to die, and that was my brother's, and technology apparently hates him. I've know at least 3 DSes to die, though. Even my DS is starting to wear down and I need to upgrade quick.

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255. Posted:

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TrueWiiMaster wrote:

4. the generally lower quality Sony's portable hardware has been in comparison to Nintendo's

Say what? I've only known one PSP to die, and that was my brother's, and technology apparently hates him. I've know at least 3 DSes to die, though. Even my DS is starting to wear down and I need to upgrade quick.

Exactly. I've also had a Wiimote die, and a Gamecube implode. Meanwhile my PS3 chugs along without any signs of problems, and my PS2 still works after all these years.

Touch wood, naturally, but I think Nintendo's reputation for indestructable hardware is a thing of the past. That kind of thing is impossible now, and all three vendors make roughly equivilent-durability console hardware (RROD on the Xbox 360 aside)

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I don't know about your experiences, but I've never had any Nintendo device die on me except the NES. My brother and I have both had our original DS's for I think over 6 years. They've been played thousands of hours and dropped numerous times, but the closest thing to a problem with either of them is a few scratches on the touch screen. The same goes for all of the different Gameboys as well as the home consoles (except they were dropped significantly fewer times...). The PS1 we had, however, wore out, and my PS2 sometimes has trouble reading discs. The PS3, as far as I know, is built like a tank. It might break if it fell a few feet, but as long as it's cared for it will probably be okay. I've personally never owned a PSP, but my brother did. It didn't break, but he was more careful with it than anything else he ever owned because of how fragile it felt. I mean, when the disc slot opened it sounded like pie tins being thrown in the trash. It felt as though slightly overdoing it would break the system in half. The DS feels more hardy.

I won't start on the 360...at least not here...

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257. Posted:

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I just think the problem is the aesthetic of some of the things Sony makes that looks nearly exactly alike to Nintendo's stuff (the 'flashcard' is an example).

And once again, Nintendo didn't invent a SD-card design, nor flash memory. If Sony is copying anyone, it's Canon, just like Nintendo did.

I'm talking about implementing that design in the game device. And how it looks exactly the same. DS CARDS don't look exactly like SD Cards. NGP Cards look more like 3DS Cards just with a curve.

I can go into specifics but it's obvious. And I'm not saying I have a problem with it. There are those who do. Nor have I ever said Nintendo didn't look to Canon for 'inspiration', or Sandisk.

I have no hate on the NGP because it's a waste. Competition only brings the best- well.. sometimes. But if NGP does what it should and if 3DS does what it should, then that only means that we'll see sweet games. But another factor is the developers. Lazyness sucks.

Now, if the NGP were to be released at the same time as 3DS, I'd side with Nintendo's handheld as I really don't have much faith in Sony when it comes to their handheld. I've seen no real effort in supporting their PSP and I partly regret even getting it. What happened to that whole 'Marcus PSP' thing they were talking about? I've only seen one of two commercials of that. Not that it was important to me personally, but the fact that they just 'gave up' on something they thought was going to be successful just shows how uninspired Sony has become with their little PSP. And the fact that Sony Cambridge still has not patched up LBP PSP properly and it's been a year. Let's not forget they claim to stop DLC and potentially updates for the PSP version. I'm kinda hoping Media Molecule takes over LBP PSP problems, but I know they're really focusing on LBP2 now.

This is one of the many reasons I'm not too sure about the NGP.
I just don't have much faith in Sony.

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258. Posted:

Those Kotaku pictures really do make the thing look monstrous. And this picture:

http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2011/01/800x600...

It makes me think of the old dog-bone Atari Lynx, if any of you remember that thing. The back of it. It even has the same indentations for your fingers.

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259. Posted:

WaltzElf wrote:

Mickeymac wrote:

TrueWiiMaster wrote:

4. the generally lower quality Sony's portable hardware has been in comparison to Nintendo's

Say what? I've only known one PSP to die, and that was my brother's, and technology apparently hates him. I've know at least 3 DSes to die, though. Even my DS is starting to wear down and I need to upgrade quick.

Exactly. I've also had a Wiimote die, and a Gamecube implode. Meanwhile my PS3 chugs along without any signs of problems, and my PS2 still works after all these years.

Touch wood, naturally, but I think Nintendo's reputation for indestructable hardware is a thing of the past. That kind of thing is impossible now, and all three vendors make roughly equivilent-durability console hardware (RROD on the Xbox 360 aside)

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260. Posted:

lz20XX wrote:

WaltzElf wrote:

Mickeymac wrote:

TrueWiiMaster wrote:

4. the generally lower quality Sony's portable hardware has been in comparison to Nintendo's

Say what? I've only known one PSP to die, and that was my brother's, and technology apparently hates him. I've know at least 3 DSes to die, though. Even my DS is starting to wear down and I need to upgrade quick.

Exactly. I've also had a Wiimote die, and a Gamecube implode. Meanwhile my PS3 chugs along without any signs of problems, and my PS2 still works after all these years.

Touch wood, naturally, but I think Nintendo's reputation for indestructable hardware is a thing of the past. That kind of thing is impossible now, and all three vendors make roughly equivilent-durability console hardware (RROD on the Xbox 360 aside)

Lucky dog. All of my Sony platforms experienced several problems

Yep, you and others I know.

But really, that's my point - it's more luck than anything else. Some units from any company, given the technology of today, will fail. It's not like the days of the indestructable Game boy any longer :(

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