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201. Posted:

R-L-A-George wrote:

Nintendo and Sony teaming up....That would be some powerhouse, Microsoft probably wouldn't last long.

The losers in that scenario certainly wouldn't be Microsoft protected by its billions, the losers would be gamers themselves for losing the competitiveness driving the industry, particularly in the handheld market doubt motion based gaming becoming the norm would have come so soon if at all hadn't Nintendo lost ground to Sony, it made them think outside the box and benefited gamers in general I think all thanks to healthy competition.

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202. Posted:

Oh for God's sakes.

NINTENDO COPIED CANON BECAUSE IT ALLOWED PEOPLE TO USE SD CARDS IN ITS CONSOLE.

SD cards were previously used in cameras. OMG SO NOT ORIGINAL NINTENDO.

Edit: Before anyone takes that too seriously, I was being sarcastic, but making a point here - Nintendo is no more "special" when it comes to being innovative as Sony, or anyone else.

There's plenty of original stuff in the NGP - 3G, OLED screen, a hella-powerful handheld processor, dual analogue sticks. And Nintendo did not invent flash memory, so calling Sony out for "copying" Nintendo with that is both childish and incorrect.

Sony's come out with a good-looking, appealing console in the NGP. If you can't see that, then your loss, but I suspect those same people haven't seen what the PS Network can offer.

(plus, sorry but PlayStation One games > Gameboy games)

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lz20XX wrote:

I want to point out that it is good business practice to use an idea if it's successful, even if it may not be yours. UMD was pretty bad, and Sony noticed that carts work better. They didn't necessarily "copy" Nintendo, they just borrowed the idea and liked it. This is absolutely nothing new nor despicable

It's not so much that they just copied them, it's when they do the same technique and act like it's their own original idea like when they unveiled the move. In press conference: "What if when you go to cast a fire spell in final fantasy, you actually moved the controller like you're waving a wand?" now that one just bugges me to this date.

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briunj04 wrote:

an iPhone costs 599

Ummm, no. There's a 16GB one at at 199 and a 32GB one at 299. And there might be a 64GB one at 399, although I'm not sure. But not 599. Of course, there's also the plan that you have to buy.

Yeah, a 2 year plan contract. Otherwise, they are starting at 449 and go up to about 599.

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WaltzElf wrote:

Oh for God's sakes.

NINTENDO COPIED CANON BECAUSE IT ALLOWED PEOPLE TO USE SD CARDS IN ITS CONSOLE.

SD cards were previously used in cameras. OMG SO NOT ORIGINAL NINTENDO.

Edit: Before anyone takes that too seriously, I was being sarcastic, but making a point here - Nintendo is no more "special" when it comes to being innovative as Sony, or anyone else.

There's plenty of original stuff in the NGP - 3G, OLED screen, a hella-powerful handheld processor, dual analogue sticks. And Nintendo did not invent flash memory, so calling Sony out for "copying" Nintendo with that is both childish and incorrect.

Sony's come out with a good-looking, appealing console in the NGP. If you can't see that, then your loss, but I suspect those same people haven't seen what the PS Network can offer.

(plus, sorry but PlayStation One games > Gameboy games)

Everyone is just flipping because their carts look so much similar. The biggest change in the shape is the curved top edge, that's really it. I think it's a good move to go onto something smaller with larger memory.

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206. Posted:

WaltzElf wrote:

Oh for God's sakes.

NINTENDO COPIED CANON BECAUSE IT ALLOWED PEOPLE TO USE SD CARDS IN ITS CONSOLE.

SD cards were previously used in cameras. OMG SO NOT ORIGINAL NINTENDO.

Edit: Before anyone takes that too seriously, I was being sarcastic, but making a point here - Nintendo is no more "special" when it comes to being innovative as Sony, or anyone else.

There's plenty of original stuff in the NGP - 3G, OLED screen, a hella-powerful handheld processor, dual analogue sticks. And Nintendo did not invent flash memory, so calling Sony out for "copying" Nintendo with that is both childish and incorrect.

Sony's come out with a good-looking, appealing console in the NGP. If you can't see that, then your loss, but I suspect those same people haven't seen what the PS Network can offer.

(plus, sorry but PlayStation One games > Gameboy games)

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207. Posted:

armoredghor wrote:

"What if when you go to cast a fire spell in final fantasy, you actually moved the controller like you're waving a wand?" now that one just bugges me to this date.

That bugged me too. No one in Final Fantasy uses a wand. :P

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Copying isn't so much an issue as Sony's u-turn in regards to some of the tech they have now embraced, just makes them look a bit over cautious when it comes to innovation imo.

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lz20XX wrote:

WaltzElf wrote:

Oh for God's sakes.

NINTENDO COPIED CANON BECAUSE IT ALLOWED PEOPLE TO USE SD CARDS IN ITS CONSOLE.

SD cards were previously used in cameras. OMG SO NOT ORIGINAL NINTENDO.

Edit: Before anyone takes that too seriously, I was being sarcastic, but making a point here - Nintendo is no more "special" when it comes to being innovative as Sony, or anyone else.

There's plenty of original stuff in the NGP - 3G, OLED screen, a hella-powerful handheld processor, dual analogue sticks. And Nintendo did not invent flash memory, so calling Sony out for "copying" Nintendo with that is both childish and incorrect.

Sony's come out with a good-looking, appealing console in the NGP. If you can't see that, then your loss, but I suspect those same people haven't seen what the PS Network can offer.

(plus, sorry but PlayStation One games > Gameboy games)

Original? I think not

Feel free to point out another major, dedicated handheld console which features dual analogue sticks, OLED screen, 3G and a processor that powerful, then.

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armoredghor wrote:

It's not so much that they just copied them, it's when they do the same technique and act like it's their own original idea like when they unveiled the move. In press conference: "What if when you go to cast a fire spell in final fantasy, you actually moved the controller like you're waving a wand?" now that one just bugges me to this date.

I haven't seen a single Wii game that even comes close to attempting this. Granted if Sony had said "What if when you go to cast a fire spell in final fantasy, you arbitrarily flick your wrist instead of pressing a button, so instead of creating a sense of immersion it simply removes the precision of an actual button press?" then I'd say "Yup--100% copy." I think the main point of that particular statement was to point out that the Move actually has the precision to pull off this type of gameplay mechanic.

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WaltzElf wrote:

Feel free to point out another major, dedicated handheld console which features dual analogue sticks, OLED screen, 3G and a processor that powerful, then.

Might not all be on a handheld but those things aren't really new to gaming, as much as I like dual analogs sticking them on handheld doesn't strike me as particularly innovative, still a nice addition though just not one to get all that excited about.

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Reala wrote:

WaltzElf wrote:

Feel free to point out another major, dedicated handheld console which features dual analogue sticks, OLED screen, 3G and a processor that powerful, then.

Might not all be on a handheld but those things aren't really new to gaming, as much as I like dual analogs sticking them on handheld doesn't strike as particularly innovative.

You know, it's possible to be original and innovative without creating an entirely new technology.

It's just more subtle. The NGP is a whole host of new things to handheld gaming.

And if you want to think about it in another way - if you do consider the NGP to be just "improvements" on existing technology, then Nintendo is, likewise, unoriginal. 3D technology has existed for a long time, and Sharp came up with glasses-free 3D long before Nintendo. It's just that Nintendo discovered a commercially-viable way of shoving that technolgy in a handheld console. Touchscreens, too, existed a long time before the original DS. So really, Nintendo has just improved existing technology for its consoles.

Just like a certail OLED screen in a certain Sony console.

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R-L-A-George wrote:

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Has everybody forgotten that UMD was a disaster? From ease of piracy to load times, to expensive manufacturing and draining the battery life, absolutely nothing good came of it. Switching to Flash carts is quite possibly the smartest move they could've made. They're not simply copying. They're switching to something that works.

That is very much correct...
But they did shape it very similar to a DS cart, which I believe is a mistake.

What if Sony and Nintendo, decided to work on an console together?

They originally were going to work together and make the PS1, but Nintendo decided not to because they couldn't agree on how the revenue would be split between them.

And because Sony wanted 'rights' to Nintendo's games. I don't blame Nintendo in backing out, but if they negotiated then we could have seen these two together.

I hear different and similar stories about the whole Nintendo Playstation deal...

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214. Posted:

I think that a Dual Analog portable will be a much bigger deal than many realize. Call of Duty Black Ops made a Billion dollars in a month. Those fans that have the extra cash to afford a NGP will be purchasing it for Call of Duty. Online Shooters have been somewhat decent over the years without, but bringing the home console Call of Duty experience to a portable that can be played anywhere on the go will be massive.in itself for NGP. I think the one game alone will push the system into the millions of consoles sold. ;)

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215. Posted:

slapshot82 wrote:

I think that a Dual Analog portable will be a much bigger deal than many realize. Call of Duty Black Ops made a Billion dollars in a month. Those fans that have the extra cash to afford a NGP will be purchasing it for Call of Duty. Online Shooters have been somewhat decent over the years without, but bringing the home console Call of Duty experience to a portable that can be played anywhere on the go will be massive.in itself for NGP. I think the one game alone will push the system into the millions of consoles sold. ;)

I would also be very surprised if, around the time the NGP hits shelves, Sony hasn't announced PS2 games for download over the PSN.

So the 3DS, with its GB/ GBC games, will be up agains the NGP and PSOne/ PS2/ Dreamcast (or so we've been rumoured), Neo Geo games for retro downloaders. Hm.

The NGP also already has a massive library of comics and movies to draw on.

So yeah, I think people are being very premature to dismiss the NGP. It's going to have a very strong following, even if it is likely to be smaller than the 3DS.

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Reala wrote:

R-L-A-George wrote:

Nintendo and Sony teaming up....That would be some powerhouse, Microsoft probably wouldn't last long.

The losers in that scenario certainly wouldn't be Microsoft protected by its billions, the losers would be gamers themselves for losing the competitiveness driving the industry, particularly in the handheld market doubt motion based gaming becoming the norm would have come so soon if at all hadn't Nintendo lost ground to Sony, it made them think outside the box and benefited gamers in general I think all thanks to healthy competition.

Yes microsoft would be protected by billions...But they might lose ground as an official maker of consoles. whatever doesn't make money, they discontinue. Though they will still have the PC gaming part. Gamers will still be competitive, especially since both companies would still have their own products and there are people who generally hate Sony, Nintendo or both.[Of coarse, I might be wrong.]

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217. Posted:

Ravage wrote:

But they did shape it very similar to a DS cart, which I believe is a mistake.

How many different ways you can you shape a square/rectangle?

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218. Posted:

Magi wrote:

Ravage wrote:

But they did shape it very similar to a DS cart, which I believe is a mistake.

How many different ways you can you shape a square/rectangle?

Shape it to look exactly like a DS cart ;)

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WaltzElf wrote:

Feel free to point out another major, dedicated handheld console which features dual analogue sticks, OLED screen, 3G and a processor that powerful, then.

I haven't been following the discussion so please don't take this as an argument or anything. But there is actually a console not far from that. Check out http://www.openpandora.org/

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@Imerion: while that certainly is interesting (that doesn't look like too bad an option for a palmtop computer), it doesn't fall under the 'major' and 'dedicated' parts of what he was saying. :3

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