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Tsurii

Given up on HBG lol

I made a set for the silverwind LBG tho. Pierce Up, Shot Booster, Repeat Offender, Crit Eye+2. Pretty fun stuff, really enjoying this one.

I'm also gonna make sets for the 4 main elements (screw dragon shots, sorry dragon shots. Still love ya)
Already got my Prosperity set and something for the Zammy LBG because element pierce.

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@Tsurii Can't help but wonder if the habit of making sets with nothing but attack-boosting skills is tying up your performance with heavies.

Here's the thing: all handling stats being equal, HBGs have the exact same frame data for everything except sheathing/unsheathing, yet do far more damage, and tend to have bigger clips too. As such, it needs far less help in that department when it comes to armor skills, as tempting as it may be to go all in with those. The main skills you should consider are Evade Extender for mobility and positioning, Recoil+ to fire high-powered rounds more readily, and Normal/Pierce/Trueshot Up as your damage skill.

Stonefist, Silverwind or their regular counterpart's sets are good places to look for better bowgun handling.

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Tsurii

@meleebrawler I've used adept style with the siege HBGs.

And it was ass. My issue actually still isn't mobility but maneuverability. I just can't get the "aim" for entering siege mode right for some reason. I always have to slooooooowly move towards the monster once I enter it and I feel like I'm wasting a ton of time. I'm still using the Mizu HBG with the Silverwind set tho and that works well because I don't have to deal with the bs, clunkyass animations. I tend to tap the target cam button and then aim manually for the fine tuning and that simply doesn't work/doesn't work very well if you want to siege, which is kind of a big deal for the Normal shot HBGs, not so much for stuff like the Mizu HBG with its plethora of pierce shots and relatively low recoil etc.

Also, I'm not sure why I wouldn't "just" stack offensive skills in a game like Generations when you a) only have so much to work with in terms of mixed sets if you don't have a god charm (which I have two of..that don't help me with bowguns at all Sharpness+5 Expert+9 ooo and Fastcharge+5 Attack+10 ooo, baby) and b) you can use certain styles to "skip" the need of certain skills like not needing guard skills on adept lance or having the great adept run for stuff like bowguns (that worked well in my short time with HBG, really well actually) or using Brave in Double Cross with GS and Bow to skip Focus (which supposedly works out beautifully if you can consistently get into brave mode which is stupid easy with those two weapons in particular)

I would've ignored anyone who told me to skip evade extender period on HBG sets in older games but there simply isn't a need for that skill if you're going with adept. EE just is redundant if you can get the dodging down. And that was the last thing that tripped me up.

I actually agree with what you're saying in general, but I've decided for myself that it's just not my kind of playstyle.
I've said it before already but I've never really gotten into siege HBG and I realized yet again why lel

I'm having fun with ng LBGs, altho I'm currently in the middle of building up my "arsenal", going [Element] Atk +2, Ammo Saver, TrueShot Up, Load Up for the water and ice, those 4 skills + Sneak for Thunder because I actually had a Thunder Atk +13 ooo charm and the 4 "base skills" + Artillery Novice on Prosperity/Fire for those sweet KOs lel
All adept style with full house. My pierce LBG set is above, adept with mass combiner. I'm not using any other shot types than pierce 1 and it's stupid fun despite the simplicity.

I kind of feel like my choice for the ice LBG might've been wrong tho. Went with Zammy (I feel like I said that above but who wants to scroll up?), and even tho I didn't upgrade it fully yet, I feel like it lacks the punch of Daybreak's Gaze, Prosperity and Desolate Mist (Mizu LBG)
Hope I get to try the max upgrade soon-ish. I need bloody Ukanlos parts and lack the motivation to fight that bastard.

Also, just to annoy someone out there, I made, maxed and sold the Amatsu LBG because I ended up not liking it after all haha

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meleebrawler

I understand where you're coming from regarding adept and Evade Extender, but I'd argue that it's still important for general mobility, especially in a party setting where you can't always guarantee attacks for you to dodge. There is also the issue that, unlike Adept LBG, you can't have your cake (power reload) and run with it too. I generally consider HBG Adept inferior to the former, especially considering it has only one really good art anyway (Full House). Heavy makes up for it with a superior Aerial, especially in XX where it gets power reloads just for vaulting (idk if Light gets this too).

I generally prefer having multiple arts for Heavy, since they are all quite useful. Sometimes this means I pick the siege-less Striker, usually against those where sieging is just a lost cause, but Guild is a nice compromise when it isn't.

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meleebrawler

@Joeynator3000 With your weapon sheathed, hold R and press B while stationary. Unlike the Emergency Retreat version, it's slower and you're not invincible while digging down, but for both once you're under you are mostly invincible, but roars and tremors can force you out and stun you briefly. I like to use the regular burrow when Daimyos or Shoguns are using their own digging attacks. Your Palicoes will also dig down with you, avoiding unnecessary damage or possibly allowing you to "stealth" by an unwanted monster.

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CrazedCavalier

@Joeynator3000 People thought Gold Ceadeus' water beam attack was undodgable in 3U while I knew to hold R+B+up or down on the circle pad to shoot straight up or down with only minimal stamina use.
I seriously think nobody knew that it even existed in 3/3U.

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meleebrawler

@Joeynator3000 He probably means the lateral water beam Goldbeard uses, as opposed to the vertical one. But honestly it's slow enough to dodge even with normal swimming.

The straight up or down swimming maneuver had some use, but was generally too slow for the heat of battle, especially considering the need to sheathe before you could use it. I only ever really used it to dodge Plesioth's underwater tail slaps.

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crimsontadpoles

The easy way for you guys to avoid Goldbeard's vertical beam in 3U is to invite me on the quest. Even when playing online, it always feels like he's only targeting me with that move.

Edit: I can't remember any lateral beams giving me problems. It's just the vertical ones that are trouble.

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CrazedCavalier

@Joeynator3000 Yeah; the "swimming out of bounds into the top corner of the area" variation is the one that the vertical underwater maneuver easily dodges. Tons of threads back in the day were asking how to dodge it and everybody was saying it was impossible.

@meleebrawler I tended to use the forward+X attack on GL as my evade underwater.

Man, I almost want to go back to 3U again... now that I'm proficient with the SA I could probably blow through the rest of G-rank (got stuck on Sticky Situation, being a solo GL main) and slay Dire Miralis.

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Joeynator3000

Situation is starting to remind me of Ukanlos's seemingly impossible to avoid swimming attack in 4th generation. xD

Anyways, close to getting to Goldbeard in 3U, so I'll try to remember that then. But I'm sure I've tried everything.

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Finally finished all deviant quests... the first step towards facing Massacre Demon.

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CrazedCavalier

@meleebrawler ...Uh... you do know that you only have to beat one of each Deviant quest to unlock it, right? That earlier info was incorrect.
Sorry to be the one to kill the sense of accomplishment.

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@Joeynator3000 Yes.
And the confirmed method of unlocking it in XX is completing one quest for every other Deviant. An earlier report said all of them, but it has been debunked.

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