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121. Posted:

@Artwark true, something in Mass Attack felt off(can't pinpoint what, something just felt wrong) and Sticker Star's last world was too short(to tell the truth I was fine with the simple story and the lack of exp making fights pointless, mostly because I like the fight system used in Paper Mario)

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Paper Mario Sticker Star is a great example of a title that should have been completely seperate from the 'Paper Mario' brand. Something like 'Mario's Sticker Adventure' or the like instead.

That way, they could have done something new, and people wouldn't be comparing to an RPG series in which it shares pretty much nothing in common and is a bit of a disgrace to the good name of. Would have potentially even been seen as a decent game.

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123. Posted:

@CM30 True indeed.

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CM30 wrote:

Paper Mario Sticker Star is a great example of a title that should have been completely seperate from the 'Paper Mario' brand. Something like 'Mario's Sticker Adventure' or the like instead.

That way, they could have done something new, and people wouldn't be comparing to an RPG series in which it shares pretty much nothing in common and is a bit of a disgrace to the good name of. Would have potentially even been seen as a decent game.

You're absolutely right. Since this Mario RPG with turn based battles, a pop-up story book presentation, & humorous dialogue had a simpler story & no leveling, it shares absolutely nothing in common with those other Mario RPGs with turn based battle systems, a pop-up story book presentation, and humorous dialogue. Lol, WTF!

I won't say it's as good as other Paper Mario games, because yes, I personally didn't like it as much as the original, but it's not nearly as bad as people make it out to be, and I'd even say it stays truer to the original games in style, than Super Paper Mario did (which was pretty much a platformer in a PM paint job). That's not to say SPM was a bad game, because I enjoyed it too, but SS gets way too much hate.

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125. Posted:

I don't see how someone could play a masterpiece like Super Mario 3D Land and say that Mario games are on a "downgrade". I guess its a matter of opinion but games like this are what Mario is all about, why ruin a good thing a fix something that isn't broken?

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I don't see how someone could play a masterpiece like Super Mario 3D Land and say that Mario games are on a "downgrade". I guess its a matter of opinion but games like this are what Mario is all about, why ruin a good thing a fix something that isn't broken?

Blame the desperate obsession with originality among young people nowadays. The obsession with wanting to change things for the pure hell of it and general disdain for anything that is perfectly good as it already is.

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OfficialRVGA wrote:

I don't see how someone could play a masterpiece like Super Mario 3D Land and say that Mario games are on a "downgrade". I guess its a matter of opinion but games like this are what Mario is all about, why ruin a good thing a fix something that isn't broken?

Its the problem with people who have grown up with him. There's nothing wrong with the Mario games infact its too impossible to find a bad Mario game with the exception of the Lost Levels.

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128. Posted:

Artwark wrote:

OfficialRVGA wrote:

I don't see how someone could play a masterpiece like Super Mario 3D Land and say that Mario games are on a "downgrade". I guess its a matter of opinion but games like this are what Mario is all about, why ruin a good thing a fix something that isn't broken?

Its the problem with people who have grown up with him. There's nothing wrong with the Mario games infact its too impossible to find a bad Mario game with the exception of the Lost Levels.

don't you mean Mario is Missing? :p

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GuSilverFlame wrote:

Artwark wrote:

OfficialRVGA wrote:

I don't see how someone could play a masterpiece like Super Mario 3D Land and say that Mario games are on a "downgrade". I guess its a matter of opinion but games like this are what Mario is all about, why ruin a good thing a fix something that isn't broken?

Its the problem with people who have grown up with him. There's nothing wrong with the Mario games infact its too impossible to find a bad Mario game with the exception of the Lost Levels.

don't you mean Mario is Missing? :p

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130. Posted:

WingedSnagret wrote:

GuSilverFlame wrote:

Artwark wrote:

OfficialRVGA wrote:

I don't see how someone could play a masterpiece like Super Mario 3D Land and say that Mario games are on a "downgrade". I guess its a matter of opinion but games like this are what Mario is all about, why ruin a good thing a fix something that isn't broken?

Its the problem with people who have grown up with him. There's nothing wrong with the Mario games infact its too impossible to find a bad Mario game with the exception of the Lost Levels.

don't you mean Mario is Missing? :p

The games that were not directly made by Nintendo and surrounding co. don't count, such as Hotel Mario and the like.

then I guess there's no Mario game that's REALLY bad(as in impossible to say it's not bad even if you liked it, at least of the ones I've played)

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131. Posted:

I didn't like the first Super Mario Land's physics too much, although that's still not exactly a bad game.

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132. Posted:

I'd like to point out that the thread says downgrade. Considering Mario's heights with the Galaxy games or the NES/SNES/N64 days, it shouldn't even be a surprise to people that's a tough thing to be consistent with. It's like expecting every Pixar film to be as good as the first half of Wall-E but that doesn't mean I should defend Cars.

And while I bash some of these games (because more often than not they are honestly not as well made as the nostalgic games, particularly from a level design perspective imo), my issue comes far more from watching more interesting (not necessarily better...not always at least) titles DIE sales-wise on Nintendo console while Mario makes fairly samey games for a while and gets ALL the money and the fear that Nintendo doesn't need to make new Mario games anymore (though I'd like to believe they have enough self-respect that they'll want to). I'm not even saying I'm being entirely fair, but these are my honest opinions, and it has become the perfect opportunity to explore games and franchises I might have unfairly forgotten about otherwise.

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133. Posted:

Look I know we've all had nostalgia but let's face it, Mario is still the best. No matter how downgraded you feel about the series, somehow it will entertain you and everyone else. I loved Galaxy's story better than 2 but that does not mean 2 is bad. it just means that they didn't want to focus more on 2's story rather than the original because it Mario. When was the last time the story has ever been put well in a Mario game with the exception of the RPG series? Only one.

You can't expect Nintendo to meet your memory feel and make it like before because games change, we change. We like those games better than now because we grew up with them. Doesn't mean that you should hate games that are out now. Just saying.....

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134. Posted:

I know people can be weird and nostalgia biased, so let me just say, for the record, my problem with recent Mario titles is the complete opposite. I think these games are the ones with nostalgia issues FOR people too obsessed with Mario being just as it was in their childhood. Like, I'm one of the 3 people that will still defend Sticker Star despite that game being VERY flawed and weird, because I at least appreciated that they tried for a different gameplay idea and it worked more times than people will admit. And while most of the Mario games are still fun, I respect Nintendo and the franchise too much to not criticize issues I've had with it. I'm fully aware that I've maybe needed a break from Mario titles, so that's a factor but I'm still certain I'm not wrong. I'm sorry.

again, I have no issue with 3D World and Mario Kart 8 will certainly be way better than the last one so there is improvement.

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kkslider5552000 wrote:

I know people can be weird and nostalgia biased, so let me just say, for the record, my problem with recent Mario titles is the complete opposite. I think these games are the ones with nostalgia issues FOR people too obsessed with Mario being just as it was in their childhood. Like, I'm one of the 3 people that will still defend Sticker Star despite that game being VERY flawed and weird, because I at least appreciated that they tried for a different gameplay idea and it worked more times than people will admit. And while most of the Mario games are still fun, I respect Nintendo and the franchise too much to not criticize issues I've had with it. I'm fully aware that I've maybe needed a break from Mario titles, so that's a factor but I'm still certain I'm not wrong. I'm sorry.

again, I have no issue with 3D World and Mario Kart 8 will certainly be way better than the last one so there is improvement.

exactly my thoughts! and if you know other two people that defend Sticker Star it makes me the 4th :p

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136. Posted:

I'd rather a traditional game that does traditional things well than an 'original' one that does new things poorly.

It's one of many reasons I consider Mario & Luigi Dream Team two million times better than Paper Mario Sticker Star.

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CM30 wrote:

I'd rather a traditional game that does traditional things well than an 'original' one that does new things poorly.

It's one of many reasons I consider Mario & Luigi Dream Team two million times better than Paper Mario Sticker Star.

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just so everyone know, mario's downgrade is not what I personally thought, I just looked at the ratings on ign, forums and discussions on the internet.

But still, anyone got any idea on what nintendo is going to do?
To me, with all the sequels, and new games, and spin-offs, mario is sorta unpredictable XD

thats my opinion at least.

I juxt realized how off topic we are from my Original Post.. :/

Thats okay, I like discussing this better :D

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139. Posted:

CM30 wrote:

I'd rather a traditional game that does traditional things well than an 'original' one that does new things poorly.

It's one of many reasons I consider Mario & Luigi Dream Team two million times better than Paper Mario Sticker Star.

I agree with; I considered the preservation of the traditional battling mechanics of the Dream Team game better than the opposing new battling mechanics than of Sticker Star most notably with certain limitations of Stickers. However I still think it is an ok game but not really my cup of tea.

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Bronze wrote:

just so everyone know, mario's downgrade is not what I personally thought, I just looked at the ratings on ign, forums and discussions on the internet.

But still, anyone got any idea on what nintendo is going to do?
To me, with all the sequels, and new games, and spin-offs, mario is sorta unpredictable XD

thats my opinion at least.

I juxt realized how off topic we are from my Original Post.. :/

Thats okay, I like discussing this better :D

I think they should make MKDD 2 or whatever they should be calling it. But a heard rumors that MK8 is going to have some sort of double team system implemented but I am not sure of it though.

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