For one thing, Link would need to speak to pull of a convincing RPG
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...Unless these don't count as 'convincing' RPGs.
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What makes these games RPGs, exactly?
If the only answer you can come up with is "it has levelling and statistics," (which is certainly true of Paper Mario, but I haven't played the other games) then they're not RPGs, no.
The RPG genre is not defined by the mechanics behind it. It's defined by the game design philosophy. Because that's how the genre started - Gary Gygax has philosophy about what would make for a fun game, and Dungeons & Dragons, the first RPG, was born. The actual mechanics were inconsequential - in fact, the early versions of Dungeons & Dragons were simply small-scale wargames.
What was important was what you did when you played an RPG, and you don't do these things in most JRPGs, but even moreso for the Zelda and Mario "RPG" RPGs.
Well, I'm too tired (and therefore not in the right mind) to go into a huge discussion, but I will put out that one of the games is called RPG, while the Mario & Luigi series is subtitled RPG in Japan as well. Whether or not that means they actually are, IDK, and I'm too tired to contribute any more.
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Super Mario RPG is every bit an RPG as any Final Fantasy.
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Your point? Final Fantasy is a "JRPG" as distinct to "RPG" because there isn't a single JRPG out there from memory that is a genuine RPG. That's why they're two different genres: Real RPGs and pretend RPG - JRPGs.
That's not to say I don't love JRPGs, but I get tired of people trying to tell me an apple is an orange.
So in short, Super Mario RPG is a JRPG (so to speak).
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So in your world the entire idea of 'genre' is pointless.
The concept of "genre" exists to allow people to associate one game with another. It's a semantic construction that people use as a point of reference.
But it's stupid to even try comparing Super Mario RPG to Final Fantasy to The Witcher 2. There's no guarantee that people who like Super Mario RPG will like The Witcher 2, and more than you can guarantee that people who like Super Mario RPG will like Call of Duty. They're entirely different games that belong to entirely different genres.
RPG =/= JRPG. Different genres.
Dictionary.com even backs me up: "a class or category of artistic endeavor having a particular form, content, technique, or the like: the genre of epic poetry; the genre of symphonic music."
The Witcher 2 has a very different form, content and technique as Zelda or Super Mario RPG. Ergo, they belong to different genres.
Well, the lines between the two genres seem to be blurred tremendously by the industry.
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That doesn't mean the industry is right.
Laypeople think that all Metal music is the same too. Those who are into Metal music realise there are all kinds of subgenres out there. It's similar here. You've got "RPGs", and then you've got all the offshoot genres - JRPG, SRPG, hybrid RPG, Hack & Slash RPG. Etc etc.
To bring it back to the topic at hand - in none of those subgenres is Zelda, though.
Genres do matter. It's just putting RPG and JRPG in one category makes my life easier.
By all means don't let your life get any more complicated by, you know, being right.
But the industry is always changing the RPG catalogy... RPG's are fun... but after u play the story, get everything there is to get, defeat every enemy flawelessly, i find my self bored....
But the industry is always changing the RPG catalogy... RPG's are fun... but after u play the story, get everything there is to get, defeat every enemy flawelessly, i find my self bored....
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...What does that have to do with the RPG 'catagory'?
@WaltzisaChocobo
If those are all sub genres as you say, technically wouldn't my earlier examples be RPGs? :3
But the industry is always changing the RPG catalogy... RPG's are fun... but after u play the story, get everything there is to get, defeat every enemy flawelessly, i find my self bored....
Are u kidding me!!! Yeah it does?!??!?? Have u ever plaid an RPG an beat it 100% ?
I've only done it once.... And with Paper Mario 2 TTYD, i think is a good RPG but its turn based
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...What does that have to do with the RPG 'catagory'?
I find MYSELF bored.... with RPG'S after all dat Maybe.... alot of other people have the same opinion with RPG'S..... so maybe developers think ”maybe i can make an Rpg that appeals to every type of gamer?" And maybe thats how a different catagory Rpg is born
But the industry is always changing the RPG catalogy... RPG's are fun... but after u play the story, get everything there is to get, defeat every enemy flawelessly, i find my self bored....
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...What does that have to do with the RPG 'catagory'?
@WaltzisaChocobo
If those are all sub genres as you say, technically wouldn't my earlier examples be RPGs? :3
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No, because we don't call real RPGs "real RPGs."
It's confusing because "RPG" defines games like The Witcher 2, Skyrim, Kingdoms of Amalur and Dungeons and Dragons. That's a sub-genre in itself.
SRPGs, JRPGs and so on are not RPGs. They're different genres entirely that happen to share similar names.
Unfortunately, there's no over-arching term to group all these sub-categories under.
So for instance, look at a category like "strategy games."
Under "Strategy games" you've got: turn-based strategy, RTS, historical wargame, SRPG. They're all strategy games, but belong to subcategories under that.
But if you try to use "RPG" as the over-arching genre, you've got JRPG, SRPG, hack-and-slash RPG and... RPG.
That's why many people get confused. "RPG" is a sub-genre, not a genre. There is no genre that can be applied to both Final Fantasy and The Witcher 2. People keep trying but Apples and Oranges are both fruits. It doesn't mean they're the same thing.
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