Shiromikio wrote:

Sorry if it's been asked before, are there any other action RPGs for 3DS besides HoR and Tales of the Abyss? I'm looking to try some good titles.

HarmoKnight wrote:

^yep 3DE has no RPGs

RR529 wrote:

Actually, to all those saying Zelda is an RPG:

Traditionally, RPG refers to table games such as Dungeons & Dragons, in which you create your own character, and make your own story (the other players interact with the one in control of the story, affecting how it unfolds), and there's a large amount of strategy involved in battles, including a leveling system, experience, ect.

When game systems came out (such as the Famicom/NES), they were unable to realize games with such openess, and thus the sub-genré JRPG was born. In a JRPG, the story takes center stage & is very linear, and in contrast to the open ended stories of a traditional RPGs, the characters are defined for you (you may be able to name them and/or outfit them with different skills, but that almost never affects the outcome of the scripted story in anyway whatsoever). Despite these concessions, JRPGs retain the strategic battle system, leveling system, and experience found in RPGs.

Action RPGs (such as Kingdom Hearts) deviate even further from their RPG roots, eschewing strategical battles in favor of streamlined, easy to grasp action battle systems, but still retain leveling systems & experience (often good places to start for newcomers to RPGs).

Then, you have games like Zelda, which further deviate from the formula, by getting rid of a leveling system & experience altogether. Furthermore, there are generally less sidequests & the like in Zelda (you rarely have any choice in which equipment to use even, besides for the occasional special sword). By the time you get to Zelda, it's just too far removed from the source material to consider it as such.

WhiteKnight (formally OlympicCho) could explain all this much better than I (he's the one who explained it to me in the first place), so if my words don't convince you, find a topic he regularly comments on (preferrably one dealing with RPGs), and ask him yourself.

RR529 wrote:

To reiterate the facts:

RR529 wrote:

Actually, to all those saying Zelda is an RPG:

Traditionally, RPG refers to table games such as Dungeons & Dragons, in which you create your own character, and make your own story (the other players interact with the one in control of the story, affecting how it unfolds), and there's a large amount of strategy involved in battles, including a leveling system, experience, ect.

When game systems came out (such as the Famicom/NES), they were unable to realize games with such openess, and thus the sub-genré JRPG was born. In a JRPG, the story takes center stage & is very linear, and in contrast to the open ended stories of a traditional RPGs, the characters are defined for you (you may be able to name them and/or outfit them with different skills, but that almost never affects the outcome of the scripted story in anyway whatsoever). Despite these concessions, JRPGs retain the strategic battle system, leveling system, and experience found in RPGs.

Action RPGs (such as Kingdom Hearts) deviate even further from their RPG roots, eschewing strategical battles in favor of streamlined, easy to grasp action battle systems, but still retain leveling systems & experience (often good places to start for newcomers to RPGs).

Then, you have games like Zelda, which further deviate from the formula, by getting rid of a leveling system & experience altogether. Furthermore, there are generally less sidequests & the like in Zelda (you rarely have any choice in which equipment to use even, besides for the occasional special sword). By the time you get to Zelda, it's just too far removed from the source material to consider it as such.

WhiteKnight (formally OlympicCho) could explain all this much better than I (he's the one who explained it to me in the first place), so if my words don't convince you, find a topic he regularly comments on (preferrably one dealing with RPGs), and ask him yourself.

Also, I should have made this more clear, In addition to the lack of a leveling system & experience, Zelda lacks a wide array of choice (something that is very important in an RPG).

In a JRPG or ARPG (which themselves lack as much choice as a traditional RPG), there are numerous amounts of weapons, armor, skills, ect. you can choose from. In Zelda, not so much. Furthermore, when it comes to items & equipment in Zelda, by & large the game both decides when it will be available, & when you have to use said item (the series' trademark puzzles need to be solved in a very specific manner). There are always the occasional one or two items you're given choice over per game (such as the Biggoron's Sword), but that pales in comparison to all the options at your desposal in an RPG. Also, if you want to deal that final blow to Ganon, you had better have that Master Sword equipped (doesn't sound much of a choice to me). In contrast, at the end of Kingdom Hearts, you can use the default Kingdom Key, the powerful Ultima Weapon, or anything in-between to lay the smackdown to Ansem. TBH, the only large choice Zelda gives you, is whether or not you want to accept Heart Containers, but that one thing isn't enough to make it an RPG.

Also, while they can be found in numerous RPGs, an overworld, cities, and dungeons don't make a game an RPG (it's the reasonings I gave above). Many RPG's (such as the upcoming Denpa Men) only feature dungeons. Some (like Fire Emblem) don't feature any of the three.

BTW, this isn't to say I don't like Zelda (it's my favorite gaming series, in fact), but it's pretty obvious to anyone who actually plays a good amount of RPGs (or even just JRPGs), that Zelda doesn't have much in common with them at a technical level.

Gamesake wrote:

Shiromikio wrote:

Sorry if it's been asked before, are there any other action RPGs for 3DS besides HoR and Tales of the Abyss? I'm looking to try some good titles.

Keep an eye out for Code of Princess coming to 3DS this October. I've never played it but if it's as good as Guardian Heroes on the SEGA Saturn, chances are we'll all enjoy it.

AlphaIchimoru wrote:

@HarmoKnight Doesn't Ocarina of Time count?

RR529 wrote:

To reiterate the facts:

RR529 wrote:

Actually, to all those saying Zelda is an RPG:

Traditionally, RPG refers to table games such as Dungeons & Dragons, in which you create your own character, and make your own story (the other players interact with the one in control of the story, affecting how it unfolds), and there's a large amount of strategy involved in battles, including a leveling system, experience, ect.

When game systems came out (such as the Famicom/NES), they were unable to realize games with such openess, and thus the sub-genré JRPG was born. In a JRPG, the story takes center stage & is very linear, and in contrast to the open ended stories of a traditional RPGs, the characters are defined for you (you may be able to name them and/or outfit them with different skills, but that almost never affects the outcome of the scripted story in anyway whatsoever). Despite these concessions, JRPGs retain the strategic battle system, leveling system, and experience found in RPGs.

Action RPGs (such as Kingdom Hearts) deviate even further from their RPG roots, eschewing strategical battles in favor of streamlined, easy to grasp action battle systems, but still retain leveling systems & experience (often good places to start for newcomers to RPGs).

Then, you have games like Zelda, which further deviate from the formula, by getting rid of a leveling system & experience altogether. Furthermore, there are generally less sidequests & the like in Zelda (you rarely have any choice in which equipment to use even, besides for the occasional special sword). By the time you get to Zelda, it's just too far removed from the source material to consider it as such.

WhiteKnight (formally OlympicCho) could explain all this much better than I (he's the one who explained it to me in the first place), so if my words don't convince you, find a topic he regularly comments on (preferrably one dealing with RPGs), and ask him yourself.

Also, I should have made this more clear, In addition to the lack of a leveling system & experience, Zelda lacks a wide array of choice (something that is very important in an RPG).

In a JRPG or ARPG (which themselves lack as much choice as a traditional RPG), there are numerous amounts of weapons, armor, skills, ect. you can choose from. In Zelda, not so much. Furthermore, when it comes to items & equipment in Zelda, by & large the game both decides when it will be available, & when you have to use said item (the series' trademark puzzles need to be solved in a very specific manner). There are always the occasional one or two items you're given choice over per game (such as the Biggoron's Sword), but that pales in comparison to all the options at your desposal in an RPG. Also, if you want to deal that final blow to Ganon, you had better have that Master Sword equipped (doesn't sound much of a choice to me). In contrast, at the end of Kingdom Hearts, you can use the default Kingdom Key, the powerful Ultima Weapon, or anything in-between to lay the smackdown to Ansem. TBH, the only large choice Zelda gives you, is whether or not you want to accept Heart Containers, but that one thing isn't enough to make it an RPG.

Also, while they can be found in numerous RPGs, an overworld, cities, and dungeons don't make a game an RPG (it's the reasonings I gave above). Many RPG's (such as the upcoming Denpa Men) only feature dungeons. Some (like Fire Emblem) don't feature any of the three.

BTW, this isn't to say I don't like Zelda (it's my favorite gaming series, in fact), but it's pretty obvious to anyone who actually plays a good amount of RPGs (or even just JRPGs), that Zelda doesn't have much in common with them at a technical level.