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Topic: Even if all of the rumors are true... (lets debate)

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McGruber

Even if all of the rumored games that we have heard are coming including:
Mach Rider, Monster Hunter, Castlevania (esp if it's ports), Fire Emblem, Yoshi, etc

I'm confident that won't be enough to change the momentum in Nintendo's favor for the 3DS. The circle pad attachment has A LOT of people either angry or put off. It is getting a lot of negative press, and for good reason. It should already be on the system. A lot of people are not going to buy a 3DS if they know a new one with the circle pad added onto it is coming soon. Count me in as one of the many people who payed $250 and are very disappointed. They can give that attachment away for free, and it won't make a difference. The fact is that I payed $250, knowing the games weren't there, yes, but not knowing Nintendo was going to turn around and say "Hey, maybe we were wrong after all about the 2nd thumb stick" (DUH!). Adding that attachment is them admitting they were wrong in a much worse way than when they dropped the price. It's a hardware flaw. Not to mention when the system was announced there were a lot of 'hardcore' games announced that eventually got canceled. As much as I love Nintendo's games, I did not buy this system with those games in mind only.

What it ultimately comes down to though are games. And even if those games all turn out to be true, the 3DS has big problems. That list to me is not impressive. I would expect games like those, especially if they are ports and 2D side scrollers, to still be in development. As those series appeared on past Nintendo systems. Games like those are not going to get anybody new to buy this system who isn't already faithful to Nintendo hardware. As a Nintendo loyalist I am excited for some of those, but Nintendo really didn't have to do much to get my to buy the 3DS. Where is my Assassin's Creed and Saints Row in 3D?

With all of the negative press, that terrible add-on, and the very real possibility of a '3DS lite' coming soon, Nintendo has a real problem. The 3DS is not very appealing to parents, and at the same time not appealing to the hardcore. Most of all it clearly isn't appealing to developers, who not only take into account the limitations of the hardware, but also the sales trends of the hardware.

Bottom line: Nintendo needs to pull something out of it's ass to change the momentum of 3DS. That add-on is not it. It just makes things worse clearly. And none of those games are going to do it either. Not adding the 2nd circle pad showed very very very poor judgement, as even though there are alternate (worse) ways around not having it, clearly HAVING it would only have only helped the system, a lot.

You're thoughts?

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LordTendoboy

It's not appealing to parents. What do you mean by that? Don't you mean it's not appealing to children, since they have been the primary demographic for Nintendo handhelds?

Also, you make it seem like the lack of a second circle pad is the ultimate death sentence for the 3DS. Overreacting much? The iPod and iPad don't use any buttons, yet they play certain games just fine. The PSP didn't have a second analog nub either, and it did just fine.

2 analog sticks are only necessary for games that require a lot of camera movement, mainly FPS and 3D action/adventure games. Not every game needs 2 analog sticks. In fact, the Wii Remote only uses one analog stick, everything else is done with the pointer.

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McGruber

The 3D aspect is off putting to many parents, who are the ones buying the actual handheld. With the DS still on the market, and being much cheaper, parents are still more likely to go with that option. I think a large majority of 3DS sales so far are from the likes of Nintendo loyalists and a few hardcore gamers.

Clearly Nintendo loyalists are happy regardless. As evidence by how many people will actually argue that movement, and touch screen are just as good as a 2nd analog stick. We ARE getting great Nintendo games though. The problem is people like me who want to play more mature or hardcore games on a Nintendo system. 3rd party support is the pits on 3DS

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zezhyrule

You expect me to read all that

I got to the end though, you had a grammatical error so bleh

Speaking of bleh, that's what I think of rumors.

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LordTendoboy

Please stop using the term "hardcore gamers", it's a pointless label (much like the terms "kiddy" and "mature"). Nintendo systems have always been primarily marketed to children and families. The only reason Nintendo is trying to go after the "mature" crowd is because they saw what Sony has done with the PSP and Vita. Nintendo is trying to bring in both demographics, they aren't siding with one or the other.

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Meowpheel

zezhyrule wrote:

I got to the end though, you had a grammatical error so bleh

I was gonna say that for the first post... But i was cowardly.

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McGruber

tendoboy1984 wrote:

Also, you make it seem like the lack of a second circle pad is the ultimate death sentence for the 3DS. Overreacting much? The iPod and iPad don't use any buttons, yet they play certain games just fine. The PSP didn't have a second analog nub either, and it did just fine.

2 analog sticks are only necessary for games that require a lot of camera movement, mainly FPS and 3D action/adventure games. Not every game needs 2 analog sticks. In fact, the Wii Remote only uses one analog stick, everything else is done with the pointer.

I agree with you it isn't the end all be all. But to use the Wii Remote as an example to me is terrible. Most of the time I hated using the pointer for camera control. It was terrible. In fact I eventually sold my Wii for the same reasons I am unhappy with the 3DS. There are a lot of people who feel the same way. My point is 1. That the 2nd analog should be there (there is a nice space for it) and 2. If they wouldn't have made this add-on they would have been able to skate by without much more fuss over it. But by doing so they are admitting they were wrong. And they clearly were. That is the big issue.

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Squiggle55

Lionsgate wrote:

With the DS still on the market, and being much cheaper, parents are still more likely to go with that option.

actually the dsi is only like 20 dollars cheaper and the dsiXL is the same price. It's really ridiculous for anyone to choose those over the 3DS at this point.

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McGruber

tendoboy1984 wrote:

Please stop using the term "hardcore gamers", it's a pointless label (much like the terms "kiddy" and "mature"). Nintendo systems have always been primarily marketed to children and families. The only reason Nintendo is trying to go after the "mature" crowd is because they saw what Sony has done with the PSP and Vita. Nintendo is trying to bring in both demographics, they aren't siding with one or the other.

For all intents and purposes it works though. You have casual gamers (mom and dad, and the kids), Nintendo loyalists (I didn't say fanboys lol), and hardcore gamers. To say that Nintendo systems have always been family oriented to me isn't right. Up until the Wii and DS I feel like they went after both crowds equally. With the 3DS it really doesn't seem like they know what they are doing period.

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komicturtle

... On the flip side, people would have complained about the 3DS being too big...

Because the 3DS is crammed up already. At least, the bigger it is, we'd have better battery potentionally and yeah, the second stick.. but w/e.

I say people are judging this too early. DS had a worse start. The best games rolled in 6 or 7 months after it was released. Staring with Kirby Canvas Curse in June 2005. Then, it got even better towards the end of the year with Nintendogs, Ace Attorney, Castlevania DS, Mario Kart DS and Animal Crossing Wild Word, the last two was the launch of Nintendo WiFi Connection and man, was that freaking cool back in 2005 as a 13 year old lol

3DS had a much better launch than the DS (Feb 05 brought Wario Ware Touch, great game I so love, and then Yoshi Touch n Go, another game I love). There was SSFIV, Nintendogs, PilotWings Resort, Moneky Ball, Fifa, Ridge Racer, Bust a Move,LEGO Star Wars III, Samurai Warriors and Ghost Recon Shadow WARS. These are great to decent to ok games. Better than Ping Pals, I'd say (DS' launch window had Mario 64 DS, Madden, Feel the Magic, Zoo Keeper.. Ping Pals, Sprung... Yeah, what else?)

Talk of the PSP killing the DS commenced but that didn't happen. At all.

The 3DS then followed with DoD Dimensions in May and then Zelda OoT in June. Cartoon Network PunchTime came too, and that turned out to be fairly decent. Then Pacman And Galaga Dimensions in July.

Comparing the two, the 3DS had a much stronger launch line up than the DS. It's just these days, people expect too too much. Then again, the launch could have been better for today's standards.

All in all, I'm looking forward to the bright future of this handheld. I love portable gaming and I'm loving my 3DS. I cant even wait to see Kirby and a new Pokemon game running on this system!

I have about 20 games for 3DS on my radar and have currently missed out on about 5 games that just came out. I'm crossing my fingers for the greatness of MH3G to come out, and would like to get into the Tales series again with Tales of the Abyss. Mario 3d land and Mario Kart 7 are on the way, and I'm picking up SF64 3D and Kirby Mass Attack (maybe even Solatoraboo and DQMJ2 too!) within the next few weeks.

I'm staying positive and confident about this. And gaming all around.

EDIT: Oh, and I still have the Metrod Prime First Hunt demo!

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LordTendoboy

Lionsgate wrote:

tendoboy1984 wrote:

Also, you make it seem like the lack of a second circle pad is the ultimate death sentence for the 3DS. Overreacting much? The iPod and iPad don't use any buttons, yet they play certain games just fine. The PSP didn't have a second analog nub either, and it did just fine.

2 analog sticks are only necessary for games that require a lot of camera movement, mainly FPS and 3D action/adventure games. Not every game needs 2 analog sticks. In fact, the Wii Remote only uses one analog stick, everything else is done with the pointer.

I agree with you it isn't the end all be all. But to use the Wii Remote as an example to me is terrible. Most of the time I hated using the pointer for camera control. It was terrible. In fact I eventually sold my Wii for the same reasons I am unhappy with the 3DS. There are a lot of people who feel the same way. My point is 1. That the 2nd analog should be there (there is a nice space for it) and 2. If they wouldn't have made this add-on they would have been able to skate by without much more fuss over it. But by doing so they are admitting they were wrong. And they clearly were. That is the big issue.

Well I do agree that the add-on seems like an act of desperation. It seems Nintendo is doing this last minute change to appease certain gamers that want more console-style games on their handhelds. Nintendo is going after the exact same market that Sony had with the PSP, the only difference is that Nintendo has no idea how to lure in those gamers. They're much more experienced with making family-oriented games. Perhaps Nintendo should team up with a 3rd-party company that has experience with the "core" market... That way Nintendo won't be left in the dark.

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McGruber

But I really want to know what you guys think. Not critiques on my grammar, or hate because I am hating on Nintendo right now. Remember I am a Nintendo loyalist through and through. That's part of the reason why I am bringing this up on a Nintendo website lol

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Speculating about speculation.

/me wastes his time playing games instead.

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Meowpheel

Lionsgate wrote:

For all intents and purposes it works though. You have casual gamers (mom and dad, and the kids), Nintendo loyalists (I didn't say fanboys lol), and hardcore gamers.

Please stop right there with that and ignore any further posts about what the definition of "hardcore" gamer is or this thread will be fun.

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kkslider5552000

lolno

also the previous handheld assassin's creeds sucked, it's for the best that it was cancelled

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McGruber

I totally want the 3DS to succeed. Not because I worship the ground Nintendo stands on though. I want to be able to have fun with my system. The 3D effect is awesome, but I want to see games like Resident Evil, Saints Row, Grand Theft Auto in 3D. Not ports, 2D side scrollers, etc etc. Actually I want to play some of those too, but you get the point.

Nintendo needs to get 3rd parties on board again. What do they need to do that? First they need to get people to buy the system. Having this ugly add-on just makes them look desperate, and reminds people of the mistake they made by not having it on there in the first place.

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LordTendoboy

@Lionsgate

Also, Nintendo has been making "casual games" forever. Donkey Kong Arcade, Mario Bros. Arcade, Super Mario Bros. 1, Tetris Attack, Tetris for Game Boy, Pokemon Puzzle League, WarioWare series, Mario Party series, Mario's Picross, the Mario Kart series... I could go on and on.

In fact, the entire video game industry was built on "casual games". All of the arcade games from the 1970's and 1980's could be considered casual games.

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McGruber

kkslider5552000 wrote:

lolno

also the previous handheld assassin's creeds sucked, it's for the best that it was cancelled

/thread

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Thats because it was on DS, which could only handle a side scroller. This version was going to be similar to the console versions.

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Samholy

it mostly makes sense in a way, but...
i cant say nintendo is truly all that bad yet. Their first party titles arent really out yet, the console is very young. let it mature more than this before being all that pessimistic. give it a full year of life!
but yeah, it misses a couple of important features of last gen gaming. analog joystick is one of them, BUT its not a console killer. 4 shoulder buttons could be excellent, but its handheld, and perhaps handheld doesnt mean it should follow what home console gaming is.
if youre there to play hours and hours straight, then get a home console. Handheld is there to play anywhere. in a car, in the bus, in a park, waiting in a line,wherever you are, for quick gaming. im not sure it should go into super immersive gameplay.
people tend to compare it to home console gaming, which its NOT.

The DS owned by letting innovative games go by without them being overly immersive. They were commonly awesome and different gaming time.
But youre damn right. 250$$$ was a lot. im crazy yeah, but i can still be pissed if they decide the launch console wasnt good enough and make changes fast. I feel like a guinea pig or something.
But you know what, i use it EVERY day. it opens from the minutes i wake up, and it shuts down when i go to bed. How good is that for a game console ? i dont recall doing so with any other consoles every day, months after their launch!
maybe my NES when the save game feature wasnt present

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kkslider5552000

it had core games, core gamers refused to buy almost any of them

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