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21. Posted:

And the winner is...PSVita

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22. Posted:

I think at this point it could still go either way. The 3DS needs to get a lot more good games, and unlike with the DS - I feel like that wont happen as much in the coming years. I hope I'm wrong though.

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It's too early, but the 3DS definitely has momentum since it already has a stellar library even as it's still small and growing. Ocarina of Time 3D, Star Fox 64 3D, Super Mario 3D Land, Mario Kart 7, Kid Icarus Uprising, and Paper Mario: Sticker Star are just some of the several high-quality first party games available, and then there's third party games offerings. Then there's Fire Emblem, Luigi's Mansion, Animal Crossing, and Pokemon coming this year along with Super Smash Bros. down the road. Bear in mind that Paper Mario and Luigi's Mansion had never been on a handheld before.

Personally, I already like the 3DS more, but it needs more time to have more quality games released.

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Honestly, unless a miracle happens, like Atlus and XSEED support the hell out of it, I don't think the 3DS will do as well as the DS.

If the sales figures in Japan are any indication, the 3DS looks like it's going to be the JRPG machine. Plus, with XSEED existing, we'll probably get lots of great stuff in the west, and considering how SMT 4 is a 3DS exclusive, it looks like Atlus will make many games for the device. So I'm not too worried for the future in that regard.

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DS: Super Mario 64 DS*, Animal Crossing Wild World*, Sonic Rush*, Mario Kart DS*, Metroid Prime Hunters*, New Super Mario Brothers*, Star Fox Command*, Meteos*, WarioWare Touched* , Tetris DS, Mario and Luigi Partners in Time and Pac-Pix*

3DS: Super Mario 3D Land*, Legend of Zelda Ocarina of Time 3D*, Star Fox 64 3D*, Dead or Alive Dimensions, Super Street Fighter IV 3D, Mutant Mudds, New Super Mario Brothers 2 and Mario Kart 7*

Based on what's likely going to be the first two years for the 3DS, I would definitely say I enjoy the titles I've experienced from the first two years of the DS much more. The 3DS had an excellent stride going at the end of 2011, but then disappointed me with Kid Icarus Uprising and Resident Evil Revelations. It also lacks a really good first person shooter, which the DS had well before its two year mark. Having said this, the 3DS is looking to be more competitive against the DS's legacy this year. I hope the titles hold up.

I'm not even going to compare the 3DS going into its third year to the DS's lifetime library, as that's DS all the way easily.

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I liked the DS better. 3DS is tons better technically, but I was younger and DS seemed really cool when it came out. There was TONS of games that came out for it almost instantly 5 months after it was out.

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27. Posted:

LordJumpMad wrote:

And the winner is...PSVita

Maybe if some good stuff comes out. PS Vita has in no way shown that it can do anything better than anything, besides 3G and crazy amounts of buttons. IMO Smash Bros kills PS All Stars, and that's the only game I would want to play. Playstation might have the uperhand of quantity, but not quality to back it up.

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28. Posted:

LordJumpMad wrote:

And the winner is...PSVita

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SCAR392 wrote:

LordJumpMad wrote:

And the winner is...PSVita

Maybe if some good stuff comes out. PS Vita has in no way shown that it can do anything better than anything, besides 3G and crazy amounts of buttons. IMO Smash Bros kills PS All Stars, and that's the only game I would want to play. Playstation might have the uperhand of quantity, but not quality to back it up.

Oh ya, not to mention no regular SD card support, 3D, spotpass, actually having games to play. I'll by PS Vita once it has 4G, SD card, 3D, spotpass, and actual stuff to play. My bet is that it will only do 4G as an improvement.

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SCAR392 wrote:

actually having games to play

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_PlayStation_Vita_games

if you can't find at least a couple of good games, that's your problem. And a problem for that matter.

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31. Posted:

OT isn't asking which system is better, but which library is better.

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32. Posted:

moomoo wrote:

CanisWolfred wrote:

Honestly, unless a miracle happens, like Atlus and XSEED support the hell out of it, I don't think the 3DS will do as well as the DS.

If the sales figures in Japan are any indication, the 3DS looks like it's going to be the JRPG machine. Plus, with XSEED existing, we'll probably get lots of great stuff in the west, and considering how SMT 4 is a 3DS exclusive, it looks like Atlus will make many games for the device. So I'm not too worried for the future in that regard.

I mean publishing the niche games we don't usually get. That used to be Atlus' thing, but they almost entirely stopped with that these past few years, except for Code of Princess. And XSEED seems to support the Sony side more. They didn't release much on the DS(EDIT: Oh wait, they released 10 games on the DS. Huh. I don't remember any of them, except for RGC and Solatorobo), and while they have released two 3DS games, both of them were multiplatform for the PSP and Vita. Honestly, I'm still very worried.

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rayword45 wrote:

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It never got Smash Bros game, nor an original 3D Mario game.

In my book, that's 2 more points for DS, and 0 for the 3DS.

That's a BS reason. If you don't like a game, you don't have to buy it. It's existence shouldn't cause you to judge a console.

If we used the shovelware to judge consoles (or in this case, games you dislike but don't qualify as shovelware), the NES, Atari 2600, PS2, THE FREAKIN WII would all be considered abysmal failures.

Think you quoted the wrong person there, but I don't see anyone else that could've been directed at. I said nothing about shovelware. I said The DS is better for not having those ****piles you call games, I didn't say the 3DS was worse off, just that it gained nothing from having it. Learn to read what's written, dear boy.

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34. Posted:

moomoo wrote:

CanisWolfred wrote:

Honestly, unless a miracle happens, like Atlus and XSEED support the hell out of it, I don't think the 3DS will do as well as the DS.

If the sales figures in Japan are any indication, the 3DS looks like it's going to be the JRPG machine. Plus, with XSEED existing, we'll probably get lots of great stuff in the west, and considering how SMT 4 is a 3DS exclusive, it looks like Atlus will make many games for the device. So I'm not too worried for the future in that regard.

In Japan JRPGs are made quite cheaply by small studios, typically. Square Enix and the Tales of games might be the ones we see in the West, but they're in the minority. The likes of Compile Heart and GUST are more common in Japan, and these are teams of a couple dozen, at most, employees. When people talk about JRPG support for a console in Japan (the PSP, for instance), they're actually talking about these games where the quantity is spectacular, not so much Final Fantasy.

Take a guess at the kind of business model these guys run on? Churning out cheap JRPGs on low price platforms. The PSP's huge success in Japan was because it was cheap as chips to develop for - especially once the PSN allowed retail downloads.

Guess which platform supports this business model now? Yes... that scary one... iOS. The iPhone, iPad and Android platforms are finally taking off in Japan (it was delayed compared to the west), and the developers in Japan are taking these platforms seriously.

Case-in-point - when Tecmo Koei acquired GUST it publicaly announced that GUST will be focusing heavily on bringing its games to mobile platforms. Square Enix set up a mobile publishing arm that is releasing cheap JRPG games at a scary rate on iOS. Spike Chunsoft (as in, the roguelike developer) dipped its first toe into the iOS market with the port of Baroque.

So no, I don't think the 3DS will become the JRPG powerhouse that the DS and PSP were in Japan. Not when there's such numbers of iOS devices out there and they're so cheap to develop for.

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@Bankai - Yeah, that too. I came to realize that once the 3DS and then the Vita were announced. I'm sure it sucks for a lot of people, especially if you have no other interest in mobile platforms. If it eventually means lots of good games, I'll be happy, but so far it's meant a ton of crap with a few gems tossed in here and there. Same with that stupid browser gaming they got over in Japan.

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36. Posted:

^well you gave 3DS a zero for having SSB and Mario 3D

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Hokori wrote:

^well you gave 3DS a zero for having SSB and Mario 3D

You wanna fight about it?

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CanisWolfred wrote:

Hokori wrote:

^well you gave 3DS a zero for having SSB and Mario 3D

You wanna fight about it?

Ding ding ding! :D JK but why give a system a low score if you don't like a couple games? That's like me saying PS3 has no games just because it has COD, when in reality PS3 has an awesome library

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CanisWolfred wrote:

Kyloctopus wrote:

It never got Smash Bros game, nor an original 3D Mario game.

In my book, that's 2 more points for DS, and 0 for the 3DS.

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I said The DS is better for not having those ****piles you call games, I didn't say the 3DS was worse off, just that it gained nothing from having it.

You basically made a hypocritical statement right there.

Like I said, if you don't like a game, then you don't play it. It doesn't mean the console is worse. If that were how we judged things, shouldn't you be complaining about how much shovelware was on the DS compared to the 3DS thus far?

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rayword45 wrote:

CanisWolfred wrote:

Kyloctopus wrote:

It never got Smash Bros game, nor an original 3D Mario game.

In my book, that's 2 more points for DS, and 0 for the 3DS.

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I said The DS is better for not having those ****piles you call games, I didn't say the 3DS was worse off, just that it gained nothing from having it.

You basically made a hypocritical statement right there.

Like I said, if you don't like a game, then you don't play it. It doesn't mean the console is worse. If that were how we judged things, shouldn't you be complaining about how much shovelware was on the DS compared to the 3DS thus far?

...did you, like, fail math or something? I said two points, as in +2, for the DS and zero, as in 0, not -2, 0 for the 3DS. Again sir, learn to read. And add while you're at it.

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