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Topic: Binding of Isaac still has a chance, apparently

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ymmas626 wrote:

Just read the summary off of:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Binding_of_Isaac_(video_game)

After reading that I can see why nintendo wouldn't want to put that on a gaming system after all. It has blasphemous content in it. I'm all for a religious game making it's way on the 3ds but not if the game goes against scriptures in the bible.

This game if released would have so much controversary it wouldn't even be remotely funny plus nintendo is in the business to STAY IN the business not go OUT of business from so many angry parents. The game would cause an up-riot for sure.

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I don't want to make this into a religious debate. Personally, I don't believe there is a god, but I accept that people believe in one.

What I don't like is when people assume that Christianity is a religion that everyone worships. (Also, fyi the Binding of Issac is more important to the religion of Judaism as it signifies part of the establishment of the covenant with G-d and Abraham.)

Yes, the game contains material which may be seen as offensive to Christians, Jews, but at the same time, you have Atheists, Agnostics (and probably Christians, Jews, Muslims etc. etc.) who don't find the game offensive.

OlympicCho wrote:

Freedom of expression means that content should be openly available. We shouldn't have companies running around acting like the police of good taste, any more than we should be banning a movie because a child might see something their irresponsible parents object to. Sometimes material is genuinely more harmful than it is beneficial to society as a whole, and that's why we have people without commercial interests to decide whether to allow that material in or not.

I agree with this, in a way. I agree that (in this case) Nintendo should not refuse the game on the sole reasoning of the 'questionable religious content'. However, (as dragon pointed out (at least I think it was dragon)), the company has to consider it's sales munbo-jumbo, which would no doubt involve the content of the game. Perhaps Nintendo should have worded its way of refusing the game differently, but listing it as a religious reasoning I think was wrong.

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Guys, Nintendo is not publishing this game. I fully agree with Nintendo's right not to develop or publish 'offensive' games itself. What Nintendo is doing is denying another company the license to publish its game on Nintendo's platform. My problem with this is Nintendo is playing the role of a censor here, and frankly, we should all be concerned when corporations begin to dictate what material we can or cannot access.

Yes, Nintendo is not a monopoly (thank God), but the philosophy or thought process running behind Nintendo's (and Sony, and Microsoft, they're all the same in this regard) decision to limit what material we can experience in our own homes is downright dangerous.

There is a massive difference between state censorship - which may be appropriate depending on the dominant attitudes of the people the state represents, and corporations, which are not bodies we want to leave responsible for social morality.

In other words this is a philosophical debate that extends well past a single game hopefully that clears the air here.

Hokori

Stil don't know whats wrong with it (besides being a Zelda knock off) nothing I've seen would make me believe it would get past an E10 rating

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Waltz, Was that in response to me? It's late and I can't tell.

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OlympicCho wrote:

Guys, Nintendo is not publishing this game. I fully agree with Nintendo's right not to develop or publish 'offensive' games itself. What Nintendo is doing is denying another company the license to publish its game on Nintendo's platform. My problem with this is Nintendo is playing the role of a censor here, and frankly, we should all be concerned when corporations begin to dictate what material we can or cannot access.

Yes, Nintendo is not a monopoly (thank God), but the philosophy or thought process running behind Nintendo's (and Sony, and Microsoft, they're all the same in this regard) decision to limit what material we can experience in our own homes is downright dangerous.

There is a massive difference between state censorship - which may be appropriate depending on the dominant attitudes of the people the state represents, and corporations, which are not bodies we want to leave responsible for social morality.

In other words this is a philosophical debate that extends well past a single game hopefully that clears the air here.

Considering Nintendo has been doing this same exact thing since the 1980's (choosing which games to officially license for their systems, e.g. the Wisdom Tree games vs. the Nintendo Seal of Quality — they haven't just blocked games that show religion in a negative light, y'know) with no ill effects on the industry as a whole (otherwise tBoI wouldn't even be playable on Steam), I think you're making a mountain out of a molehill. This kind of internal censorship is the exact kind of thing that fueled the Console Wars (blood in Mortal Kombat, anyone? my friends with Genesis-es used to gloat all the time), and that sort of competition is great for the marketplace.

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This game seems terrible to me. Thus I will ignore it if it ever appears on the eShop, like I've already ignored its appearance on Steam. I personally don't care what Nintendo does with it, since either way it's not going to affect me very much, if at all.

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I get that it shows Religion (and the most popular one, at that) in a negative light and all, but despite this, I still don't see much of a problem. They're poking fun at it, from what I understand. (Mother/people-in-general listening God and it going wrong)

I certainly wouldn't buy it, but there's a thing called freedom of speech.

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sadly, what you say is true. parents aren't like they used to be. i dont know if i made it clear or not, but i support the Big N's decisinot on to not put it on, because as i stated before, kids... however if they ever decided to make the (not smart) decision of actually approving it, i'd buy it anyways, because... it looks fun, BUT being an adult, its OK. but since kids will see this, its wise to keep up the reputation nintendo has had by not approving it.

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OlympicCho wrote:

In other words this is a philosophical debate that extends well past a single game hopefully that clears the air here.

Imma try to defuse the situation here now. So, what we're dealing with here is a company's policy towards censorship. Even though we know Nintendo could very well be lurking here at this very moment (because @James works there, and I think one of the Pushmo QR Codes posted here made its way onto an episode of Nintendo Show 3D on the eShop), they probably will never respond to this tBoI issue beyond either letting the improved game pass lotcheck and be distributed or giving the devs a reason why it didn't pass lotcheck. As tbd has stated numerous times, tBoI is readily available to consumers through Steam and other PC distribution methods, so it's not like the efforts of Nintendo, Sony, or anyone else can firmly prohibit consumers from finding the game somewhere out there. If you feel Nintendo's censorship policies that have prohibited tBoI's appearance on the 3DS are so outrageous, vote with your wallet and tell Nintendo you're boycotting them until their policies change. Moaning here may give you a little support, but it's still Nintendo's decision.

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_zoipi

DoodleJohn wrote:

I get that it shows Religion (and the most popular one, at that) in a negative light and all, but despite this, I still don't see much of a problem. They're poking fun at it, from what I understand. (Mother/people-in-general listening God and it going wrong)

What i can see, USA is one of the most extremists countries regarding religion. In TBoI you can control Judas, Satan, make pacts with the Devil, you can use a skill called The Whore of Babylon, fight the Seven Sins, the four Riders of Apocalypse... It's clearly a declaration of war to christianity, and publish that in a Nintendo console, famous for being ideal for families.

That could really be a great problem if some religious group sees this and make them a boycott, like the Chick Fil A thing. TBoI has really a lot of luck by being published in Steam, world's most popular download store.

That's the problem about the religious content.

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I don't care about the controversy, or particularly about this game. But I do think it would be nice if the developer would keep his mouth shut until something is actually coming out. This is the third time I've head that one of his games is (definitely/probably/possibly) coming to Nintendo's digital platforms. After being let down twice before, forgive me if I'm having a hard time believing anything except that he uses these type of announcements for cheap publicity.

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theblackdragon wrote:

OlympicCho wrote:

Guys, Nintendo is not publishing this game. I fully agree with Nintendo's right not to develop or publish 'offensive' games itself. What Nintendo is doing is denying another company the license to publish its game on Nintendo's platform. My problem with this is Nintendo is playing the role of a censor here, and frankly, we should all be concerned when corporations begin to dictate what material we can or cannot access.

Yes, Nintendo is not a monopoly (thank God), but the philosophy or thought process running behind Nintendo's (and Sony, and Microsoft, they're all the same in this regard) decision to limit what material we can experience in our own homes is downright dangerous.

There is a massive difference between state censorship - which may be appropriate depending on the dominant attitudes of the people the state represents, and corporations, which are not bodies we want to leave responsible for social morality.

In other words this is a philosophical debate that extends well past a single game hopefully that clears the air here.

Considering Nintendo has been doing this same exact thing since the 1980's (choosing which games to officially license for their systems, e.g. the Wisdom Tree games vs. the Nintendo Seal of Quality — they haven't just blocked games that show religion in a negative light, y'know) with no ill effects on the industry as a whole (otherwise tBoI wouldn't even be playable on Steam), I think you're making a mountain out of a molehill. This kind of internal censorship is the exact kind of thing that fueled the Console Wars (blood in Mortal Kombat, anyone? my friends with Genesis-es used to gloat all the time), and that sort of competition is great for the marketplace.

The more I think about this, the more I think the argument here might be due to a simple difference in location. In the US the ESRB is a voluntary industry group, that technically publishers don't even have to bother with. Ir's merely there as consumer guidance. So, to a certain extent I think I understand why the platform holders would also need to play censor at times.

In Australia, the classifications board is a Government body, and the Australian classifications are law. For any company to turn around after the classifications board has deemed a game fit for release, and then say "nah, not really," is a company giving the law the finger.

I'm not comfortable with companies picking and choosing when to comply with the censorship laws of this country. Not now, and not 20 years ago.

Of course, as I said before; if the game really did fail the quality control process, and it isn't actually being censored for content reasons at all, then I'm entirely on Nintendo's side. Quality control is not censorship.

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Why is it wrong for Nintendo to be able to choose what content they want to have on their own service? And can it be called censorship when the game is readily available elsewhere? If it can, wouldn't that also apply to platform exclusives? They are, after all, only available to a limited group because of the developers/publishers. Is not Heavy Rain just as censored to Nintendo-only gamers as Binding of Isaac would be if blocked?

OlympicCho wrote:

They implemented parental controls on the 3DS... so are they admitting parental controls don't work?

I think they're more admitting that even parents who don't use the parental controls will be mad if they catch their kid playing a pretty nasty M game they never bought them. Personally, I'm against the online sale of most M games anyway. I mean, why ask for an ID in stores when anyone can pick up a gift card, go online, lie about their age, and get the game anyway? What's the point of even having a rating when it can be so easily circumvented (rhetorical, I know they're still suggestions for parents)?

OlympicCho wrote:

This is true, at a cinema level, certainly, but at a home theatre level, every single DVD player will play The Human Centipede DVD. And every single TV will display it.

The same applies to games, but games are proprietary. Just as every DVD player will play every DVD, every capable PC will play Binding of Isaac.

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