It amazes me that this game draws controversy and finds itself banned on various platforms, while over in the world of movies stuff like The Human Centipede exist.
There is an oversensitivity about the games industry. That's not to say you can't be offended by a game/ movie, but censorship? No. Bad.
I actually agree with you, but until we get past that, it'd be best for Nintendo to stray away, because families are a good portion of their audience (Moreso then the other 2 consoles).
At least the judges agree with us (lolJackThompson).
Heck no. One offensive game isn't going to ruin Nintendo's "family friendly" look. It kind of annoys me that everyone has apparently forgotten Nintendo's "PLAY IT LOUD" SNES era. I'd be fine with this on a Nintendo console. I can understand them turning it down, but if it's aiming for all consoles there's less of a reason for the, to turn it down.
I can't understand why Nintendo turned it down. They implemented parental controls on the 3DS... so are they admitting parental controls don't work?
They're paranoid. They don't care if they admit their parental controls don't work they want to make sure they don't get any costumers mad. Besides let's face it. Their parental controls don't work.
But yeah, I'm against censorship too and do think Nintendo should go ahead and allows this.
This is true, at a cinema level, certainly, but at a home theatre level, every single DVD player will play The Human Centipede DVD. And every single TV will display it.
I see Nintendo's role as closer to that of a DVD player (as a device for use at home) than a cinema (which is a public forum where sensitive subjects can turn into explosive situations). I don't think the platform holder should have any right to act as a censor - that's what the actual censors are for. If a game has been approved by the censorship board, then Nintendo should have no right to limit its release on its own platforms.
I wouldn't say that. You can't pop a Game Gear game into a DS and expect it to play. And there are exclusives, of course. DVD players are universal excluding region problems. Consoles are more akin to channels which air both exclusive shows and syndicated shows. That's seriously the best I can think of :/
Also, what exactly are the rules about cursing here? I was under the assumption that if you saw it in a PG-13 movie, you could say it. The comments on this site seem to be pretty liberal, and some of the reviews contain language (Red Steel, House of the Dead: Overkill, some random articles)
That's an entirely different situation. I couldn't take my copy of The Human Centipede on Blu-Ray and stick it in my DVD player and expect it to work.
Having a proprietary platform shouldn't entitle you to become law with regards to censorship. If the actual censors decide to allow a game to be sold in the country, and the developer and publisher decide to sell it on platform X, then I fail to see why the platform owner is entitled to override the decision of the censors.
EDIT: Please note I do not own The Human Centipede in any form
The game isn't banned, you can go download it right now. Nintendo can deny any game they want, they just have to be ready for any consequences. Yet another ridiculous debate.
That's an entirely different situation. I couldn't take my copy of The Human Centipede on Blu-Ray and stick it in my DVD player and expect it to work.
Having a proprietary platform shouldn't entitle you to become law with regards to censorship. If the actual censors decide to allow a gamhttps://www.nintendolife.com/gamese to be sold in the country, and the developer and publisher decide to sell it on platform X, then I fail to see why the platform owner is entitled to override the decision of the censors.
EDIT: Please note I do not own The Human Centipede in any form
They CAN censor it on their own platform if they want to, although obviously people won't agree. Similarly, theaters can pull out of airing a movie if they desire. And, although rare, channels can censor TV show content as they desire (Just read about censorship of Regular Show in PAL regions).
iOS has been known to censor satirical apps (while allowing softcore porn). GTA: San Andreas was briefly pulled when the PS2 and Xbox versions were erroneously given AO ratings. And I don't think we'll be seeing Gears of War on a Leapster any time soon
They can also deny it because they think it's crap, although that's clearly not the case (Disaster: Day of Crisis IIRC)
On the basis that they develop and market the console and have full rights ttion of a game decide what goes on the console. They have full rights to disallow a game if they desire.
I think Nintendo should allow more quality M rated games. People these days give Nintendo a good amount of flack for being family friendly, I don't see why that's a bad thing though ( I guess some people just take their guns and guts too seriously). But releasing a game like this could change their minds ( I can't see why people fail to see games like Conker's Bad Fur Day and still call Nintendo all family friendly). Though a game like this could stir some controversy from all over, especially on a Nintendo console. The reason why the game hasn't received major controversy is due to it being a mostly unknown indie title. Not to mention, not many kids game on PCs. But when it hits mainstream consoles, that's when things can get messy.
They CAN censor it on their own platform if they want to, although obviously people won't agree.
Legally they might be able to, thanks to licensing agreements. Ethically they're utterly in the wrong. Freedom of expression is utterly critical in the arts, and Nintendo (yes, fanboys, Apple and Sony and Microsoft too) is deliberately preventing that.
It's their company, yo.
No, Nintendo didn't actually develop The Binding of Isaac. Care to try again? You know, explaining on what basis Nintendo has an ethical right to censor a game deemed to be fit for public consumption by the real censors?
No, Nintendo didn't actually develop The Binding of Isaac. Care to try again? You know, explaining on what basis Nintendo has an ethical right to censor a game deemed to be fit for public consumption by the real censors?
I think he meant the 3DS by "It's their company, yo"
In which they can pick and choose which games go onto the console.
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No, Nintendo didn't actually develop The Binding of Isaac. Care to try again? You know, explaining on what basis Nintendo has an ethical right to censor a game deemed to be fit for public consumption by the real censors?
No, Nintendo didn't actually develop The Binding of Isaac. Care to try again? You know, explaining on what basis Nintendo has an ethical right to censor a game deemed to be fit for public consumption by the real censors?
I think he meant the 3DS by "It's their company, yo"
In which they can pick and choose which games go onto the console.
And once again: On what grounds does Nintendo have the ethical right to act as a censor?
Nintendo is a corporation, not an censorship board. There's a really good reason that these two interest groups are kept separate.
This is the problem with Nintendo and M rated games. Nintendo's always been the family friendly company. After the Mortal Kombat/Night Trap/DOOM video game violence scare. While they still allowed M rated games, they seemed shy of them and possibly only allowed them for good business. Not to mention in the beginning of the NES lifespan Nintendo of America was very strict on religious and violent content. Going as far to even not allow Devil World to be published in NA. But when M rated games started to become not much of a big controversy anymore as long as the content wasn't too bad, Nintendo didn't really catch on. But now with the Wii U, Nintendo's understanding. That's just my two cents on the matter, I think they should go ahead and allow the game to release. Even if the parents blame Nintendo they should state there's a parental control system explained in the manual. Therefor leaving Nintendo ( mostly) okay. If there was big controversy about it and could jeopardize Nintendo then they could obviously just pull the game. Not worth risking a company for one game.
@OlympicCho: They've got the right to do whatever they please with what they're manufacturing. What you're arguing is that Nintendo has some kind of moral obligation to make anything and everything submitted to them available on their various platform(s), which is not true. Again, there is nothing to stop anyone from playing this game right now except possibly parental controls (idk how they work on Steam or not) and access to proper equipment, neither of which are any different than being able to afford a console and/or get past a parental lockout, really.
If you could cut the snark in your arguments, btw, I'd greatly appreciate it. It's not warranted at all.
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If Isaac shows up on the 3DS, I'll buy it. If it happens to comes censored, I'll have to wait and see what the changes are and whether I am okay with them. Until then, I'll just play the game on Steam.
By the way, for those interested, Ed McMillen just released a new compilation of minigames on Steam called The Basement Collection.
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It'd be nice if this could get released without controversy on 3DS in some way. I'd love to play this on the go. But until Nintendo finally kills the crappy rep as a strictly all-ages game company, we're probably gonna be stuck with sunshine and cleanliness.
@TBD: Thanks for the quick response. However, like I stated, some reviews don't follow that rule. Just a pointer.
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And once again: On what grounds does Nintendo have the ethical right to act as a censor?
Nintendo is a corporation, not an censorship board. There's a really good reason that these two interest groups are kept separate.
Ethical reasoning isn't necessary. It's their platform.
Could be as simple as if they think it'd hurt the way people look at their online store and its contents or that it would hurt their family/kids market. Some stores over here don't sell Energy Drinks, that's their choice because it's their store.
@OlympicCho: They've got the right to do whatever they please with what they're manufacturing. What you're arguing is that Nintendo has some kind of moral obligation to make anything and everything submitted to them available on their various platform(s), which is not true. Again, there is nothing to stop anyone from playing this game right now except possibly parental controls (idk how they work on Steam or not) and access to proper equipment, neither of which are any different than being able to afford a console and/or get past a parental lockout, really.
One thing I'd like to know is this. Since Conker's BFD came out at the end of the N64's lifespan and was only advertised in adult magazines and on late night TV. What would happen if Nintendo still owned Rare and they released another M rated Conker game on the Wii or Wii U? Obviously it would only be advertised on the appropriate channels ( so obviously no daytime Cartoon Network or Nickelodoen). Or if Conker was released earlier in the N64's life due to it being largely ignored by the general public due to it's late release. Would the game stir up major debates if it was known by the general public like Mortal Kombat was?
@OlympicCho: They've got the right to do whatever they please with what they're manufacturing. What you're arguing is that Nintendo has some kind of moral obligation to make anything and everything submitted to them available on their various platform(s), which is not true. Again, there is nothing to stop anyone from playing this game right now except possibly parental controls (idk how they work on Steam or not) and access to proper equipment, neither of which are any different than being able to afford a console or not, really.
No, Nintendo has a moral obligation to comply to the censorship laws of the countries it operates in. If a game is deemed not fit for sale, then Nintendo should respect that (though that's actually the responsibility of the game maker, not Nintendo, in that instance). If a game is deemed fit for sale, then Nintendo should respect that if the game maker decides it wants to sell the game on Nintendo's platform.
Furthermore, as a part of the creative arts, Nintendo has a moral obligation to respect creative expression. By, again, not censoring material that has already been deemed appropriate for consumption.
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