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rayword45

http://www.joystiq.com/2012/08/29/the-binding-of-isaac-in-pro...

Yeah... Although I do like the game, I really don't think this will work on the 3DS due to the questionable content. The religious content was already a bit of a push on PC alone, putting it to consoles is even riskier, and a Nintendo console is seriously going to cause an uproar. If people rant about games like MadWorld for "Tarnishing the family-friendly image of Nintendo", a stance that makes me cringe, parents everywhere would call them Satan-driven demons or something fairly close to that for releasing this game.

I'd like to see the game released on a handheld, but I don't plan on getting a Vita and this is a very slim chance (and I think it's best that way).

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Why is TBOI rated M anyway? I've seen a friend play it and can't see anything M worthy

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It amazes me that this game draws controversy and finds itself banned on various platforms, while over in the world of movies stuff like The Human Centipede exist.

There is an oversensitivity about the games industry. That's not to say you can't be offended by a game/ movie, but censorship? No. Bad.

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Why is TBOI rated M anyway? I've seen a friend play it and can't see anything M worthy

It's not rated. But if it were to be rated likewise, it contains some blood and gore, scatalogical humor (which is apparently bad in spite of kids books like Captain Underpants), religious content (which could easily offend) and some sexual content (nothing that bad though). It also features an infant being bludgeoned violently.

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OlympicCho wrote:

It amazes me that this game draws controversy and finds itself banned on various platforms, while over in the world of movies stuff like The Human Centipede exist.

There is an oversensitivity about the games industry. That's not to say you can't be offended by a game/ movie, but censorship? No. Bad.

I actually agree with you, but until we get past that, it'd be best for Nintendo to stray away, because families are a good portion of their audience (Moreso then the other 2 consoles).

At least the judges agree with us (lolJackThompson).

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I personally find the game in bade taste, and won't purchase it if it's made available, but I personally don't really care one way or the other if Nintendo accepts it. Also, I'm certainly not going to try and bad-mouth anyone who wants to purchase this.

That being said, if Nintendo rejected it before, I don't see why they would accept it now (they're adding new content, not getting rid of the stuff Nintendo found objectionable in the first place).

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OlympicCho wrote:

It amazes me that this game draws controversy and finds itself banned on various platforms, while over in the world of movies stuff like The Human Centipede exist.

There is an oversensitivity about the games industry. That's not to say you can't be offended by a game/ movie, but censorship? No. Bad.

Agreed. Completely. I kinda hate this game but no, censorship is bad.

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People that get offended by religious content are people i don't agree with imho.
I don't like the game but I'm all for freedom of creativity.

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People that get offended by religious content are people i don't agree with imho.
I don't like the game but I'm all for freedom of creativity.

Those people are probably cough religious. And these days aren't a good time to fling religious insults without starting a shitstorm (Just saying, not accusing you or anything).

The game is well-crafted and all, but I'd much prefer a 3DS version of Super Meat Boy.

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This a fantastic game, a great rogue-like, and a way to think about religion in a quite different way.
I REALLY hope this comes to 3DS, even as a retail release, I'd buy it anyway. I'd buy it twice, so I could play co-op with my GF D:
But I seriously doubt it's gonna be available on the eShop :S we can hope either on a retail release, where Nintendo can't really say anything, or that Nintendo pulls its head out of its .

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Adhrast wrote:

This a fantastic game, a great rogue-like, and a way to think about religion in a quite different way.
I REALLY hope this comes to 3DS, even as a retail release, I'd buy it anyway. I'd buy it twice, so I could play co-op with my GF D:
But I seriously doubt it's gonna be available on the eShop :S we can hope either on a retail release, where Nintendo can't really say anything, or that Nintendo pulls its head out of its .

I actually think it was a good move to not allow this on the eShop, since as of today, Video Games are given a lot of flack compared to Movies, TV and Music (though the last one isn't visual). A religious game like this on a "family-friendly" console (damn you people for making it hard for Nintendo to allow M-rated games) would cause a lot of shit.

Now, if they started banning games like Bionic Commando Rearmed (gory ending, but all Nazi references were removed), then that'd be worth complaining over.

Still, how the hell does crap like Sexy Poker get onto WiiWare?

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I actually think it was a good move to not allow this on the eShop, since as of today, Video Games are given a lot of flack compared to Movies, TV and Music (though the last one isn't visual). A religious game like this on a "family-friendly" console (damn you people for making it hard for Nintendo to allow M-rated games) would cause a lot of...

Now, if they started banning games like Bionic Commando Rearmed (gory ending, but all Nazi references were removed), then that'd be worth complaining over.

Still, how the hell does crap like Sexy Poker get onto WiiWare?

So in other words you're all for censorship, as long as it conforms to your own personal set of values.

Going back to the whole hunting debate - I hate the very thought of hunting, but I would never suggest such games should be banned. Debated, yes. Banned, no.

That is being anti-censorship - arguing against the banning of games that you, personally, would never touch with a ten foot pole.

What's that line all the people use for excessively-violent games? Oh yeah, it's up to the parents to stop their kids playing these games.

Also, sexy poker is on WiiWare because, while it's a bad game, it's completely inoffensive. That's why.

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rayword45 wrote:

OlympicCho wrote:

It amazes me that this game draws controversy and finds itself banned on various platforms, while over in the world of movies stuff like The Human Centipede exist.

There is an oversensitivity about the games industry. That's not to say you can't be offended by a game/ movie, but censorship? No. Bad.

I actually agree with you, but until we get past that, it'd be best for Nintendo to stray away, because families are a good portion of their audience (Moreso then the other 2 consoles).

At least the judges agree with us (lolJackThompson).

Heck no. One offensive game isn't going to ruin Nintendo's "family friendly" look. It kind of annoys me that everyone has apparently forgotten Nintendo's "PLAY IT LOUD" SNES era. I'd be fine with this on a Nintendo console. I can understand them turning it down, but if it's aiming for all consoles there's less of a reason for the, to turn it down.

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rayword45 wrote:

OlympicCho wrote:

It amazes me that this game draws controversy and finds itself banned on various platforms, while over in the world of movies stuff like The Human Centipede exist.

There is an oversensitivity about the games industry. That's not to say you can't be offended by a game/ movie, but censorship? No. Bad.

I actually agree with you, but until we get past that, it'd be best for Nintendo to stray away, because families are a good portion of their audience (Moreso then the other 2 consoles).

At least the judges agree with us (lolJackThompson).

Heck no. One offensive game isn't going to ruin Nintendo's "family friendly" look. It kind of annoys me that everyone has apparently forgotten Nintendo's "PLAY IT LOUD" SNES era. I'd be fine with this on a Nintendo console. I can understand them turning it down, but if it's aiming for all consoles there's less of a reason for the, to turn it down.

I can't understand why Nintendo turned it down. They implemented parental controls on the 3DS... so are they admitting parental controls don't work?

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OlympicCho wrote:

It amazes me that this game draws controversy and finds itself banned on various platforms, while over in the world of movies stuff like The Human Centipede exist.

There is an oversensitivity about the games industry. That's not to say you can't be offended by a game/ movie, but censorship? No. Bad.

Not all movies are shown everywhere — the one you're referring to only saw a limited release here in the US, for example. It wasn't banned, it just wasn't carried at all chains. This is the same thing IMO — the game has already been released. People can play it right now if they have a computer that'll run Steam. If Nintendo chooses not to carry tBoI, buy a console that (eventually) will.

they certainly seem hopeful in that article, though. let's face it, if Microsoft wanted the game that badly they'd have long since already signed paperwork for it.

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OlympicCho wrote:

It amazes me that this game draws controversy and finds itself banned on various platforms, while over in the world of movies stuff like The Human Centipede exist.

There is an oversensitivity about the games industry. That's not to say you can't be offended by a game/ movie, but censorship? No. Bad.

Not all movies are shown everywhere — the one you're referring to only saw a limited release here in the US, for example. It wasn't banned, it just wasn't carried at all chains. This is the same thing IMO — the game has already been released. People can play it right now if they have a computer that'll run Steam. If Nintendo chooses not to carry tBoI, buy a console that (eventually) will.

they certainly seem hopeful in that article, though. let's face it, if Microsoft wanted the game that badly they'd have long since already signed paperwork for it.

This is true, at a cinema level, certainly, but at a home theatre level, every single DVD player will play The Human Centipede DVD. And every single TV will display it.

I see Nintendo's role as closer to that of a DVD player (as a device for use at home) than a cinema (which is a public forum where sensitive subjects can turn into explosive situations). I don't think the platform holder should have any right to act as a censor - that's what the actual censors are for. If a game has been approved by the censorship board, then Nintendo should have no right to limit its release on its own platforms.

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Let me state I consider myself agnostic.

If Nintendo were to release a game like this, I'm pretty sure parents would be mad. They were angry with MadWorld, a game which featured mindless violence and other adult themes.

Now, religious watchdog groups finding THIS, a game with religious content, on gasp a NINTENDO console? They'd be pissed as hell.

If Nintendo honestly doesn't give a royal crap about that, then they should go ahead and release the game.

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Did Microsoft admit their parental controls don't work too?

Apparently so. Sony, too. I dunno if Apple did. Apple tends to be pretty anti-censorship unless it's porn, though, so I suspect the Binding of Issac could get into the App store.

Not sure how the guilt of the other companies absolves Nintendo of its fault in all this censorship, but whatever helps ya sleep at night, bucko

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This is true, at a cinema level, certainly, but at a home theatre level, every single DVD player will play The Human Centipede DVD. And every single TV will display it.

I see Nintendo's role as closer to that of a DVD player (as a device for use at home) than a cinema (which is a public forum where sensitive subjects can turn into explosive situations). I don't think the platform holder should have any right to act as a censor - that's what the actual censors are for. If a game has been approved by the censorship board, then Nintendo should have no right to limit its release on its own platforms.

I wouldn't say that. You can't pop a Game Gear game into a DS and expect it to play. And there are exclusives, of course. DVD players are universal excluding region problems. Consoles are more akin to channels which air both exclusive shows and syndicated shows. That's seriously the best I can think of :/

Also, what exactly are the rules about cursing here? I was under the assumption that if you saw it in a PG-13 movie, you could say it. The comments on this site seem to be pretty liberal, and some of the reviews contain language (Red Steel, House of the Dead: Overkill, some random articles)

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