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CanisWolfred

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You find the innuendo to be amoral, but not the violence? That's odd.

At any rate, no. The game is pretty harmless. The ESRB gives it a rating of T, which I agree with. I don't think that 13 year olds are at any increased risk of being morally corrupted by comedic depictions of cartoon underwear.

As for what the developer thinks of women (not that it would have any relevance), you would be surprised by the depth of character in the game. There are long sections of text-only exposition. No underwear. No innuendo. Just reading about the girls and what motivates them in their day-to-day lives. The game is half brawler, half visual novel.

Calling this game misogynist is like calling a harlequin romance novel misandrist. It's smut, but it's harmless smut that isn't particularly damaging or disrespectful to anyone.

I don't find inuendos, panties, or bouncing boobs appropriate for children in any circumstance. What people allow children to watch and/ or play has an affect on how they see life. You can tell based on promotional images and boxart that this is not as innocent as you guys portray it to be.

As for violence, CaviarMeths, that is unrelated to the conversation.

Innuendo is fine for kids. They won't get it, trust me on that. And I don't think panty shots actually appeal to anyone over the age of 12. :P And kids'll see bouncing boobs just from looking out their window and seeing a jogger go by. They're boobs. They bounce. The sooner people stop making a big deal out of them, the sooner they'll stop being a big deal.

And yes, violence is totally part of the discussion. Because it's a brawler. People get beat up. Which reminds me, it's a game where strong women beat up lots of bad guys, you'd think that'd be a good thing...

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We're not forcing our morals on anyone at all. We are expressing them. There's a difference. And looking back at myself as a teenager, no, playing games that had scantily clad women in it (FF,Tales games) did not affect my respect for women, but it certainly did open the door to want to look into harder stuff

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CaviarMeths

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I find this more shocking than anything in SKB.

At any rate, it's up to parents to educate their children on separating reality from fiction and healthy views on both men and women. Simply saying "No, you can't have this" (or worse yet, expecting Big Brother to say it for you) is lazy and more damaging than any video game.

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I don't see how it's harmless. I do agree that it's inappropriate. It can effect how you think. If you enjoy the sexuality of it, what's to stop that from encouraging thoughts about real people, or in general. The game may have fleshed out characters for the girls, but I don't see how that makes the objectification okay, or changes the fact that it treats them like sexy pieces of flesh as well for pleasure as well.

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CaviarMeths wrote:

I find this more shocking than anything in SKB.

At any rate, it's up to parents to educate their children on separating reality from fiction and healthy views on both men and women. Simply saying "No, you can't have this" is lazy and more damaging than any video game.

Parenting is also saying no to things as well, not doing so is lazy parenting.

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Hot damn, @CaviarMeths states my opinion better than I do.

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I don't see how it's harmless. I do agree that it's inappropriate. It can effect how you think. If you enjoy the sexuality of it, what's to stop that from encouraging thoughts about real people, or in general.

The fact that they aren't real? That should be a big one right there.

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@Canis

Yes they are not real. Everyone realizes this, including probably the kids or teens who play it. That's not the issue, it's the effect it has on the person. That's what's the issue, and that's what he is referring to

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There's little to no effect on your view on actual women. It's anime. Fiction.

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I've seen worse from Japan. I don't agree with this kind of material regardless

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...basically, what is morally "wrong" to one person can be perfectly OK for someone else — I have no issues with Sneran Kagura at all. It's all personal opinion.

There are universal moral standard such as the toleration of pornography. I've been seeing that people are compromising in this aspect when buying this game, even if it is seemingly small to you. But when it's accepted why not go a step further, then further, ect. To make something accepted, you have to introduce it slowly.

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CanisWolfred wrote:

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I don't see how it's harmless. I do agree that it's inappropriate. It can effect how you think. If you enjoy the sexuality of it, what's to stop that from encouraging thoughts about real people, or in general.

The fact that they aren't real? That should be a big one right there.

If you have sexual thoughts about fictional characters, how much harder, tempting, and easy will it be to have sexual thoughts about real girls? It's already easy enough to want and have such thoughts already. It can increase lust in general.

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33. Posted:

Because this really isn't that harmful? The game is basically one big joke with the sexyness as the punch line. This is very common in Japan. I think if you were tempted to look at more perverted stuff after playing this that person was probably too young to have been playing it anyways. Parents shoulda stepped in.

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I've been hearing that my thoughts on the matter is wrong because "it's not real"... these characters are humans with human anatomy, which can easily be translated to the real world.

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Yeah well just because it's common in one country doesn't mean I have to agree with it, culture or no culture.

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Anyhow, seeing as how there are others on here who feel similarly as I do, I'm going to exit now. And I hope that no one thinks that the expression of more traditional values or morals somehow infringes on someone else. It doesn't.

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37. Posted:

Honestly I don't like that the game uses sexualization as a way to attract sales, I hate that actually in all forms of media, but from what I've heard it's a solid brawler and the characters at least have some depth to them, so I don't hate it. Sure even if it's not real it can effect people but again I think those are the ones too young to play it in the first place.

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Problem is from what I see even the gameplay centers around this. Also...apparently the sequel is gonna have males too.

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39. Posted:

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Jaz007 wrote:

I don't see how it's harmless. I do agree that it's inappropriate. It can effect how you think. If you enjoy the sexuality of it, what's to stop that from encouraging thoughts about real people, or in general.

The fact that they aren't real? That should be a big one right there.

If you have sexual thoughts about fictional characters, how much harder, tempting, and easy will it be to have sexual thoughts about real girls? It's already easy enough to want and have such thoughts already. It can increase lust in general.

Man, you're talking to somebody who has read hundreds of Hentai manga, and trust me, even that hasn't affected my ideas of women. I don't think of real women as objects, and in fact I tend to side with feminists and quite dislike how our culture treats women. My idea of a perfect woman isn't one who is beautiful, but one I can relate to and respect as a human being. (for pete's sake, even in my dreams, half my girlfriends aren't very attractive, but I still feel a strong connection to them) Heck, I don't even like real pron, because I just wind up feeling bad for the women involved. The only reason I can even stomach hentai manga is because it isn't real - if half that stuff actuallly involved a real person, I'd probably vomit all over the floor. :|
Yet by your logic, I should probably have a constant boner by now and see women as toys to play with.

Dude, I was raised to respect women. No amount of anime fanservice can take that away.

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No this is not "harmful" to children. Obviously bouncing breasts and bikinis are going to make children or teens look at that and maybe think sexual thoughts, but it's not going to damage their psyche. If you believe children are too immature to handle exposure to japanese cartoon female anatomy then don't buy it for them, simple as that. That's why rating systems exist. Children shouldn't be playing Call of duty to realistic violence but I still see tired parents buy 10 year olds that game without even glancing at the big "17+" in the corner. If your going to make the argument that the very mild fan service is going to give male gamers a false perception of women I'd counter with the fact that they are highly determined ninjas putting themselves in combat to fight evil forces, making them strong protagonists. Whether or not you find the anime style offensive or not is your prerogative, but they are strong female characters that develop well through they story, with each being much different from the other. If they were all bouncing bimbos who were actually naked, and all they talked about were boys and sex, we might be having a different discussion. Besides, there isn't anything overtly sexual about bikinis, and the fact that the amount of clothing is an indication of health is just ridiculous. I don't even think I'd find that sexual as a 12 or 13 year old back in the day. I would enjoy the completely unrealistic combat and laugh at the fan service, but still connect with the characters emotional development through the story.

That's if it's a good game. I haven't played it. I read the Manga though.

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